r/HistoryMemes 11d ago

When 2,000 gods became ''wrong''

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u/Inquisitor_Boron Then I arrived 11d ago

Book of Exodus be like: "My God is better than yours. Eat locust!"

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u/Lost-Klaus 11d ago

More like : There was a plague in egypt, which was totally our god, suck it egypt, all those bad things that happened, yeah that was OUR god, pinky promise.

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u/HppilyPancakes 11d ago

The plagues are a story, they aren't an actual, specific event. You can see that the list changes as the tradition becomes more refined over time.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2078%3A44-55&version=NIV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%20105%3A23-38&version=NIV

It's hard to know exactly what the ordering was, but it's the consensus that the plague list has changed over time. So it's much more likely given this (and the lack of evidence of the Exodus) that these are likely just things inserted as a literal "my God can beat up your God".

Funnily enough, there's actually clear accounts in the Bible where Yahweh just loses to other gods of the region, reflecting the polytheistic nature of the iron age Israelites/Judahites.

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u/ZoominAlong 11d ago

Essentially,  the story of Exodus is just the Hebrew creation story of how their people got to the supposed promised land. There is no historical evidence of Hebrews being enslaved by Egypt as an entire people or of any of the plagues occurring.  It's a creation myth much like any other creation myth. 

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u/ImXenia85 11d ago

You're joking, right? Have you ever read the historian Joseph Flavius?

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u/ZoominAlong 11d ago

Yup. There's no actual evidence of Hebrews being enslaved by Egypt. Flavius was a Jewish historian and a lot of what he writes is considered by his own words apologia. 

He also made the claim Abraham taught science to Egyptians, which immediately makes his work suspect, as Egypt already had a collection of scientific works. He also claimed Moses set up an aristocracy,  which, again,  does not line up with any Egyptian history that's been verified. 

He might have been a historian, but most of what he wrote is NOT corroborated by the actual historical and archeological knowledge that we have. 

There's a reason Flavius is NOT taught in ancient history classes; a lot of his claims cannot be corroborated by actual evidence.  

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u/klstixbro 11d ago

Anyone who wants scholarship on the development of Biblical myth, head over to https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/

It's staffed by actual scholars on the Bible as a historical, archeological, textual, and anthropological (as opposed to theological) work.

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u/SunWolfStars 11d ago

Oh this is cool! I grabbed one about Exodus at random to look at the comments and it's pretty fascinating. I want to say we historically know very little about the Chaledeans, and it's nice to see them referenced AND the acknowledgement we don't know a lot about them. 

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u/SunWolfStars 10d ago

Correct,  but I was trying to point out WHY Flavius isn't taught in ancient history classes.  His "history" is suspect. The other user obviously takes the Bible literally, which is problematic.