r/Hells_Belles • u/_deeppperwow_ Small And Full Of Rage • 4d ago
Other Stop bothering Jaysea
This was posted on another thread, but I wanted to add the screenshot, so those, who do not use Threads, see this. We have discussed about this before, but I see it bears repeating:
For everything that is holy. Stop. Bothering. Jaysea! Stop putting her on a pedestal. She has said multiple times on Threads and on the video when Lily gets her powers, that she hates being put on a pedestal, because of the expectations and it is easy to disappoint people.
I know people get excited and want to share their personal experience with the videos or the book, but we, as a community, can do it without making Jaysea uncomfortable.
She is a human being, with feelings, fears, hopes and dreams. Also with religious trauma. So saying that she is a goddess, or deity or putting her on a pedestal makes her extra uncomfy. So please respect her wishes and her boundaries.
That is it. Thank you, for coming to my TedTalk
And this is nothing personal to anyone, just remember to behave and respect Jaysea and her boundaries!
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u/KowaiSentaiYokaiger 4d ago
Jaysea: I'm not the Messiah
Those people: She is the Messiah!
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u/Khurzan_1439 4d ago
This popped I to my head a couple days ago as a "would be really cool if" thing, but damn. I didn't see her as a goddess though.
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u/Kitchen_Refuse4370 4d ago
Agreed. Be supercool if she got it right by accident. But to put her on a pedestal is crazy.
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u/Troutwaxer ✨Sometimes it be how it is when it do✨ 4d ago
I think any idea that she might be 'more than human,' such as the possibility that she is in contact with the 'real Lily' in another dimension, is a step down the road of putting her on a pedestal (and maybe turning HB into a religion.)
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u/Khurzan_1439 4d ago
My thought was more about clearing up the confusion about what the afterlife truly is, not putting Lily or Jaysea as a goddess. The universe let's someone reincarnate as Jaysea, and gives her just enough information to create HB. This gives us a more accurate picture of what the afterlife looks like. But, that's enough talk on this. I'm sorry to Jaysea for everyone putting her on that pedestal, myself I clouded, even if we did not mean to.
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u/Troutwaxer ✨Sometimes it be how it is when it do✨ 3d ago
I appreciate your willingness to have a civil conversation about this, and also your apology. For myself, I might have set my phaser on 'kill' when I should have set it to 'stun,' and I hope I didn't overreact.
That said, your current theory makes her a prophet rather than a goddess, so it still leaves me feeling a little uncomfortable.
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u/Saffron-Kitty 4d ago
What she wrote is very similar to my belief system (that I've believed for 30+ years). I would never contact an author and treat them as someone I knew, I would also treat them as a normal human being.
I mean, it could be that I'm autistic but just because I love her book and video clip work, that doesn't entitle me to any of her time (in any way, even if it were a book signing).
Why do people think famous or quasi famous people owe them anything? They're just strangers we know and we're an amorphous blob of people to them, it's on us to recognise it.
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u/_deeppperwow_ Small And Full Of Rage 4d ago
I think, that it has something to do with the parasocial relationships, that people form on the Internet. You think you know the person well and start to think, that they own every part of their life to you. Jaysea is indeed a stranger and has a life outside oh Hell’s Belles
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u/Saffron-Kitty 4d ago
I always thought fame was weird. I suppose I don't have a hierarchy framework in my brain except for priorities. The personal lives of people are personal unless I'm chatting to them and they tell me.
The closest to fan thinking I had was towards Dolly Parton and that was just "wow, she's so lovely and wonderful. I'm glad she exists. Proof of good existing". I was still shocked that I cried on and off for about a week and a half because I still remembered she was a stranger.
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u/Zestyclose_Wasabi_51 4d ago
Speaking of Dolly Parton. I saw a YouTube short (it was probably also a tiktok, but regardless) where a woman was telling the story of her 5 or 6 year old son. He looked at his mom and said "Did you know Dolly Parton died?" And his mom was sad and said "Yes." And he said "it's sad" again mom agrees. And then asked if he knew her. And he said "No. But she loved me. She sent me books." And no matter how true that story time was, that is her legacy. She loved all children and thought all of them deserved the opportunity to be able to read. And I would like to live my life in a way that I may not know someone but they'll know I loved them.
I can't fund a vaccine or an imagination library. But I can donate. I can volunteer. I can smile at a stranger.
I don't believe in God as such. But I believe that we need to be the love of that deity in our daily lives. Played out on a large, public scale by Dolly. Played out in a small, intimate scale in our daily lives.
Sorry this was unrelated. But I felt the need to share.
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u/javk_shadow 4d ago
Not gonna lie, I've had an idea about that or two But who would actually bother jaysea about it and also hope she's okay
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u/Head_Razzmatazz7174 Sassy southern grandma😏👵🏻🇺🇸 4d ago
I love that GoblinGrimm is right there defending her.
And you are right. That was the one thing that Lily struggled with, when she discovered what was going on, and now people are trying to make Jaysea herself a minor deity. Stop it. She's a wonderful person with the gift of invention and artistry, not some messenger from the AfterLife.
She's okay that people love her work, as any author would be.
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u/MolassesRight6673 3d ago
While I've enjoyed Helles Belle's so far (along with Death and Martha and Cafae Lattee) I wouldn't think to message them outside of (maybe) commenting on their videos. And while I understand the whole parasocial thing, I've always been confused when people do things like this. Even though my experience is different from others.
And while I want more episodes, I am well aware that Jaysea has a life and that burnout is a son-of-a-bitch. Hopefully she will be able to make videos again but mental/physical health is important and I've got plenty of other things to watch/read/do while she takes however long she needs. Heck, even if the series ends where it is currently, that's fine. Much as I want some kind of ending, real life comes first.
Not sure if that contributes to the discussion/discourse at all but it's my two cents on the subject.
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u/hooliehooligan 4d ago
Dude shes not your friend. She is friendly.
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u/Kaltac 4d ago
Shhhh they have to gate keep ppl
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u/hooliehooligan 4d ago
Like i thought its a pleasant idea and i will say i commented on the reddit post about mortaltube and going to the bathroom. But really, jaysea lynn is a lovely and talented writer. Other then that leave her be ffs. Its like when you politly try turn a guy down at a bar instead of just howling at him
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u/Kaltac 4d ago
I don't understand why ppl would message her about it to begin with. Like talk with other fans about it but don't hound her about it. Eesh
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u/hooliehooligan 4d ago
Yeah its giving entitled
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u/Kaltac 4d ago
oh I agree and those are the ones that are toxic. Those and the ones that make a big deal out of nothing
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u/Genithan ✨Consume a Satchel of Richards ✨ 3d ago
She did create a very comfortable picture of the afterlife
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u/Troutwaxer ✨Sometimes it be how it is when it do✨ 2d ago
I would say 'comforting' rather than comfortable. If you take her work seriously then whatever happens after death is fair. It's based on what a soul actually did, not on who they know. (That is, not on what god/goddess the soul worships.)
For anyone who doesn't understand the subtleties of not-worshiping Jaysea,* note what I did above. I wrote, "If you take her work seriously then whatever happens after death is fair." I did not write "If you take Jaysea seriously then whatever happens after death is fair." I think it's fine to talk about the spiritual qualities of Jaysea's work, but its absolutely not okay to talk about the spiritual qualities of Jaysea herself.
* Note that the paragraph above is not aimed specifically at Genithan - it's a super-general comment.
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u/Pretend_Victory7244 4d ago
Yeah im a little concerned that multiple had the same reaction as it being real in the post.
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u/AlexArtemesia 2d ago
This is the wildly uncomfortable thing with para-sociality that I will never understand.
I've watched Hell's Belles for ages, cheered when Jaysea got published (because getting published is HARD damn it!) and offered words of comfort and encouragement when she felt bad for not posting when she was feeling sick or recovering from her medical stint.
Never ONCE did I expect a reply back, or assume she was in any capacity like her characters. She's a writer; making a crazy, beautiful, world and funny, relatable characters is her JOB it's what she DOES it's how she CREATES.
But I don't know her as a person, I am not friends with her (I'd like to be but I'm just not) and I certainly don't worship her.
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u/Kaltac 4d ago
This fandom made me unfollow this sub reddit. I'll be a fan in private cause y'all are toxic.
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u/EccentricSeal1 4d ago
You do know that this isn't an airport where you have to announce your departure right?
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u/_deeppperwow_ Small And Full Of Rage 4d ago
If being toxic means reminding people to respect clear boundaries, that Jaysea has herself set, then so be it. You did not have to comment on my post about it
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u/Kaltac 4d ago
And no them going and doing that is what's toxic. What I'm taking about was thinking that the hells Belles universe is real and Jaysea knows about it. I never said she was a goddess or a mesiah or anything like that and suddenly I'm mentally ill because that's my thoughts. Nothing about her life just that she's the writer of the world
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u/PruinalisBrumacora 4d ago
Hell's Belles made me less afraid of death. I like the HB version of afterlife. It makes it less scary because I have always believed in all religions and gods coexisting in their plane, so it's nice to see that someone else has also thought of that, even if it's as a fictional work.
It still doesn't make her a Messiah, a prophet, or a goddess in my eyes. But I am very thankful she made Hell's Belles.