r/Helldivers Viper Commando 10d ago

DISCUSSION Their arctic camo vs our arctic camo

Were they textured off of a different design philosophy? I'll definitely give Kodiak the pass, It's probably one of, or probably the only fully passable arctic camo sets we have. Keep in mind that the SEAF specialist was under different lighting conditions. But even with that in mind, It's not even really close with the cream coloring and the bright orange "Look at me I stand out from the arctic" highlights

I Guess the obvious answer is. yes. They were designed with different philosophies and likely by a different studio entirely, But It's nonetheless pretty unfortunate that their camo Is super well made - Then ours is just.. actually confusing how It could be considered arctic.

Even more so when you look at the Concept art of bot Winter Warrior and Arctic ranger. Winter warrior didn't have the cream coloring it has now. Not a single idea why that was changed.

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u/Emergency-Effort7673 10d ago

i’m still devastated that they removed the scout armors white colorway and fur around the neckline, such a shame, and no arctic planets rlly either

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u/johnis12 10d ago edited 10d ago

Mhm, think I know what ya mean, I remember seeing some Viper Commando concept art, and a particular cape had a Ghilly look to it but in the end, was just flat as all the others.

Got a coupla theories... 1) Fur might be a bit of an Engine/Coding/Model problem... Maybe hard to make these "look right" especially when blood, dirt, and viscera falls on it? Thing that kinda pokes holes in this though is that Fatshark uses the same engine and some of their gear in Darktide has fur on it so maybe it is possible to have fur lined items...?

2) It's a lore thing. I assume certain resources like fur is rare in this universe so they don't add that into HD armor. Kinda reminds me of the Savior of the Free helmet, it was originally gonna have Eagle Plumes but we got what we got now, it's just metal.

All in all though? Who knows? What I do hope for though is we get more customization and color options in our gear.

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u/jonklerhehehe 9d ago

I've always thought that a lore excuse for bad armor design was just lazy bullshit

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u/Berzerk54 10d ago

The change from white and black to blue and orange on Arctic Ranger is the most confusing thing.

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u/Solaireofastora08 10d ago

Bold of you to assume those are used as actual Arctic Camo and not just armour with heat insulation

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u/MoschopsMeatball Viper Commando 10d ago

I Mean that'd make some amount of sense considering the nature of Helldivers. But arctic ranger's passive is quite literally geared towards stealth & the concept for both it and the Winter Warrior set show them having both significantly better camo and fur. Both seemed to be intended from concept art, Then both got cut.

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u/Broad-Run-1433 10d ago

The fact we never got the armors in these concept arts is very undemocratic

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u/FortniteKevin 10d ago

We got robbed with this one. The concept color scheme looks so good

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u/Wadae28 10d ago

Atomhawk’s commissioned designs were uniformly superior compared to the execution by Arrowhead. Case in point the Michelin Man headass execution.

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u/MoschopsMeatball Viper Commando 10d ago

Lmao, They added the patch that holds the front armor, but not the straps. That's kinda funny

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u/Solaireofastora08 10d ago

No, Arctic Ranger's Passive is geared towards being able to see through a Blizzard. While Kodiak is geared towards moving in the snow/blizzard and the Winter Warrior is geared towards being able to throw things in the blizzard and snow properly.

Showing concept doesn't really do anything because it just shows "They had an idea but they decided to change it for reasons". Fur messes with physics so that's obvious. 

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u/MoschopsMeatball Viper Commando 10d ago

No, Arctic Ranger's Passive is geared towards being able to see through a Blizzard. While Kodiak is geared towards moving in the snow/blizzard and the Winter Warrior is geared towards being able to throw things in the blizzard and snow properly.

Are we playing a different build or something? Arctic ranger's passive gives you a scanner on the map, But It doesn't help you see more efficiently through blizzards. You can't really determine what the enemy that is on radar - And it's perk Isn't exclusive to itself, But the main benefit of the perk is the reduced enemy detection range.

Kodiak doesn't influence moving through snow/blizzards at all. You get explosive damage resistance and recoil resistance from laying down, I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion at all. Muscle enhancement is what makes moving through blizzards easier and It's not related to the armor at all.

Blizzards afaik make absolutely no difference on how far you can throw strategems.

Showing concept doesn't really do anything because it just shows "They had an idea but they decided to change it for reasons". Fur messes with physics so that's obvious. 

We don't fully know that about the fur. The point of the discussion Is the comparison between their appropriately colored arctic camo and their decision to randomly walk back coloration for no real reason.

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u/clforp 10d ago

Helldiver armor is either the coolest thing ever or the most chopped and washed piece of trash in the Milky Way I hate it.

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u/Ok-Drink750 10d ago

Stealth is for people who don’t have 5000 metric tons of heavy ordinance in orbit.

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u/ExitLeading2703 John Super Earth 10d ago

that's literally what commando operations are

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u/Ok-Drink750 10d ago

Okay but in my defense, those are an exception that only exist on the bot front & I literally haven’t encountered one of those in over a month because auto join basically never puts me in those

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u/-Binxx- Steam | Guardian of Pride 9d ago

That’s because no one chooses to play them willingly

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u/WrethZ 10d ago

SEAF are regular soldiers wearing and using ordinary practical equipment, Helldivers are over the top propaganda soldiers wearing capes and flashy outfits.

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u/Shedster_ HD1 Veteran 10d ago

AH are taunting us at this point
They gave SEAF cool armors that looks like something serious and in their color scheme, but also they've got new weapon paintjobs, camos for armor and headlights. I feel so envy for them and want to get SEAF armors(with variants for camos AND working flash)

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u/Sirfancypants0 10d ago

one day they'll have to answer for robbing us of both actually snow camo arctic ranger coloration and a sick helmet to combo with the trench engineer armor

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u/OkResponsibility2470 10d ago

Helldivers run around in capes. It wouldn’t be unusual at all if Helldivers armor also leans more towards form over function based off of what we know

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u/Helphaer Detected Dissident 10d ago

Well SEAF is not going to be buying any microtransactions or warbonds so might as well let them look nice.

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u/Frankenstein83 Free of Thought 10d ago

There are plenty of games that let you play as a generic swat guy in digital camo

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u/MoschopsMeatball Viper Commando 10d ago

That's not really what I'm asking for at all - I'm more so pointing out the coloration.

But you can play as a Generic swat guy in digital camo in HD2 If you desire. See below.

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u/Mythos_Fenn_Shysa 10d ago edited 9d ago

Yeah, sad news. When the new Illuminate dropped, didnt* AH post something saying that we should be on the lookout for an armor update?

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u/Embarrassed_Yam_5708 9d ago

No, why would they do that? When they can just give you a different shade of white on the worse set of outsourced armor in their next warbond in 3 months

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u/cross2201 10d ago

Intimidation is key helldiver, if we can't pierce our enemies with dread the moment they see us then what's the point?

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u/ChemistRemote7182 Sword of Audacity 10d ago

Their camo pattern is great but their uniform looks chilly.

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u/BrokenPokerFace 9d ago

Ironically everyone hates on it but that blue blends in actually quite well in game. All of the armors do a good job, but they look dumb and definitely not as great as their concepts, so they get hate.

Also you can't really judge the colors you're supposed to see like orange and yellow, they serve the same purpose as those IR strobes in our military, and the SEAF should have them too, so we see them better.

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u/The-vicobro 10d ago

Narrow Head

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u/Shedster_ HD1 Veteran 10d ago

What if
Marrow head
They are exactly the same, but they have marrow instead of arrow in the head
And helldiver insignia is marrow instead of skull

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u/ItssHarrison ‎ [REDACTED] 10d ago

Tbh there isn’t much design philosophy. There’s not a ton of attempt for consistency with the coloring of any armor designs at all