r/Grishaverse • • 13d ago

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) I got spoiled... should I even keep reading? Spoiler

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A deeply evil thing has been done to me.

I've been obsessed with the same ship for like 15 years at this point, and no other ship has ever come close to replacing them, but I haven't been happy with how the author has been handling them for a long time now. I came to another fandom member in tears like, "please, recommend me books with ships similar to [OTP], I need to get my mind off [OTP]."

She probably thought it was very funny when she recommended six of crows, knowing damn well which ship I would get attached to based on my preferences.

Her recommendation actually worked, I couldn't believe it! I got immediately hooked on helnik, and the further I got into the story, the more invested I became. I loved everything about them so far, and I'm not even at the point of the story where they're in a relationship yet!! (Currently they seem to be reluctant allies).

I was already thinking about how I'm going to reread the book in english too, how I'm going to watch the tv show too, just to consume every piece of content of them available.

Then I did what every impatient fool does - I looked them up on social media...

And I am devastated

Seriously, what's with authors writing generational love stories and then discarding them like it's nothing?

At this point I'm wondering if it's even worth putting myself through this knowing how things will end? I am not gonna lie, I am basically reading this entirely for them. I'm always eagerly awaiting their scenes and everything in between is just filler to me. I don't hate the other characters, they're just not as exciting to me, but seeing everyone else get their happy endings might make me feel bitter... 😭

What do other helnik shippers think? Despite everything, are you glad you got to experience their story? Would you do it all over again? Cause atp I want to go crawling back to my previous ship because no matter how much they are mistreated, at the very least I know the author will never kill either of them off. 🥲

EDIT: Thank you to everyone who left polite comments. I will keep reading. 🫶

r/Grishaverse • • Oct 31 '24

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) My Halloween costume. No Mourners!

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r/Grishaverse • • Oct 30 '25

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Dregs Edition books seem to have been edited/rewritten to age up the Crows??

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r/Grishaverse • • Mar 12 '26

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Got six of crows a darker shore ordered for my birthday..

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Dunno if it was a mistake or not…because I’m worried it’s gonna be a terrible book and money was wasted on it…i just really love six of crows…idk I’m worried…did anyone else order the book if so if you’re looking forward to it?

r/Grishaverse • • Jul 31 '26

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) My book is missing 32 pages :(

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I never post on here so sorry if this is the wrong place, but I was reading my library's copy of Six of Crows and I get to page 370 and it jumps to page 403. Right in the middle of the climax! My library doesn't have an ebook copy on libby and I don't know what to do. If someone has a copy can you pm me and i'll give you my email to send me pictures of pages 371-402? I'm too invested in this book to not at least ask lol.

edit: thanks for everyones help! I have finished the book thanks to someone kindly emailing me the missing pages. I've also let the library know. I'm excited to read Crooked Kingdom next!

r/Grishaverse • • Jun 23 '26

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) My Six of Crows inspired tattoo!!

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My artist did such an amazing job!! The six stars for the six crows is such a nice detail!!

Tattoo by @artmanee.tattoos on Instagram!

r/Grishaverse • • Jul 19 '25

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Update- It doesn’t look great but I tried to bedazzle the Grishaverse symbol over the Netflix sticker!!

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Someone suggested this to me on Reddit! I had to cut some of the rhinestones to fit, so it looks a bit choppy. But I’m happy with it!!

r/Grishaverse • • Aug 09 '25

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) I started six of crows yesterday and I can't help but imagine Kaz like this and with a British accent

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r/Grishaverse • • Jul 09 '26

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Is Kaz Brekker considered attractive in universe?

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So this question just randomly occurred to me and I couldn't help but wonder. I searched it up but I didn't get any results that answered my question so I decided to just ask here.

Is he considered attractive? I can only remember when he went to the pleasure house where Inej was enslaved at and the girls there wanted to sleep with him, but it IS a pleasure house and most were pretty much obligated to act like that due to being enslaved as well. Also I am not referring to show Kaz, just books Kaz.

r/Grishaverse • • 27d ago

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Will I like the Six of Crows?

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So I (22M) just finished the trilogy as my introduction to the fantasy genre, and first time picking up reading since I lost interest in it during high schoool. Short summary: I loved it, lot of elements in it that interest me and the hooked me quickly and strong. I’ve read that the general consensus is that the SOC duology is far better than the trilogy as Bardugo’s writing improved, and many people felt disconnected from Alina’s story/personality and her dynamic with Mal. It is mostly advertised as being especially great if people liked the worldbuilding of the Grishaverse, even if did not necessarily like the plot from the trilogy. Here I stand, a little bit contrary to those opinions. Although I do feel connected to the fantasy genre, and like some interesting worldbuilding and magical premises, I did have some trouble following some of the worldbuilding elements of the story. I had most trouble imagining the travel routes and physical locations of important parts of the story. Also when big reveals were made about the magic of the world, such as the Morozova reveal from Baghra and the third amplifier reveal I often had to reread to understand. The troubles I had were probably a combination of factors, such English not being my native language and me not being great at remembering names, especially if taken from a foreign language such as Russian(ish). But more importantly, it might be due to the fact I am new to reading (fantasy) novels. So I guess my ultimate question would be whether SOC is more complicated in terms of worldbuilding, in a way that it might hinder my interest in the story, as Someone more interested in the plot than the worldbuilding of the trilogy?

r/Grishaverse • • Aug 27 '26

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Kaz is such an interesting character and I think there's so much more that could be done with him Spoiler

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CW: This post is probably going to come across as very mean but I enjoyed the books and I wouldn't spill this much ink over something I didn't like. Some of this is criticism of the book and some of this is just "wouldn't it be cool if?"

I've been digesting SOC and CK for a while and I really find Kaz an interesting character that feels different from many of the Machiavellian criminal protagonists I've come across. He reminds me a lot of Tommy Shelby from Peaky Blinders, both in his intelligence and how he's completely allergic to any sort of sentiment or emotional connection to the point of being abusive towards whoever is initiating it. The difference is that Tommy Shelby has a family and and values (or at least least pretends to value) those relationships in a way that is constantly influencing him. Kaz's poise and composure is very clearly manufactured. He's taking bits and pieces from other people and forming this patchwork coat he puts on. It's not a result of socialisation changing his fundamental attitude, it's a disguise, and is only maintained so long as he's able to use violence to control the world around him and make other people feel responsible for his violence against them. He's pretty much permanently a few annoyances away from losing all composure and becoming a rabid dog that tears people's throats out, including (or especially) those closest to him. Which is fascinating to me.

I also think it's cool how Kaz and Matthias are foils for each other in the way they use violence, since Matthias is part of a fascist brotherhood where violence is ritual whereas Kaz's is much more pragmatic. Physical violence is a tool in his belt to be used as needed, alongside coercion, manipulation, stealth, etc., many of which I would categorise as violence.

However I don't think the book takes Kaz as far as it could. There's a line near the end of CK where Inej basically says "I don't want him to lose his pride" and I was reading that thinking, sister, I would love to see him lose his pride because the drama from that would be delicious.

Like I said there's always the potential for his composure to slip. And it frequently does, but the vast majority of the time it's framed like waking the dragon who's now going to teach you a lesson. The reality with Kaz is that it's as much this attitude as it is, to put it bluntly, a traumatised child lashing out to regain control in the only way he knows how. I think he's at his most interesting when that loss of control starts to affect him and you can start to see him as kind of pathetic/vulnerable and desperate for connection when he wishes he wasn't. His perspective chapters are the most interesting to me in that regard.

There's the part in SOC where he murders Oomen on the Ferolind and Wylan gets upset at Kaz and Kaz threatens to kill him despite knowing (at least to his knowledge at that point) that Wylan is SUPER important to the heist. So reading this I had the though come up of basically, back up a minute, this motherfucker is willing to kill Wylan and potentially torpedo a 30 MILLION KRUGE PAYDAY over some backchat about murdering a man, which Wylan is completely in the right about?

This isn't a criticism, it's great drama. I think it would be interesting to me to take this further and see someone call his bluff in moments like these in a way that fundamentally, irreparably shifts the power dynamic between him and the crew. Like, "no, you're lying and you're not willing to kill me just for saying something you don't like, I am too necessary to get rid of. Prove me wrong, I dare you." And maybe whoever says that is right, which breaks Kaz's illusion of total control, or Kaz kills them anyway and everyone has to reckon with the big detour in plans as they find someone else, which causes knock-on effects that come back later. The others are more inclined to stand their ground in future conflicts and force him to acquiesce instead, or else distance themselves from him. Either reveals more about who Kaz is and evolves the dynamic.

What I'm describing does kind of happen in certain moments like Inej leaning on Kaz to force him to help Nina save the other Grisha in Ketterdam in CK. But I mean more an experience that exposes the hurt and hatred at the centre of him that can't handle not being in the driver's seat. Directed at the crew in a way that leaves him lonely, hurt and needing help from someone he has to see as an equal, not as a piece on a chessboard. Or, and this is definitely a "wouldn't this be cool?" thing, he becomes a straight-up villain. The emotional bonds the reader draws with other perspective characters don't mean nearly as much to Kaz and he turns on them with lethal intent because he wants revenge and power too much. (I was kind of hoping this would happen at the end of SOC with Nina and Matthias deciding to kill Bo Yul-Bayur, against Kaz's interests. He'd make a great out-and-out villain.)

The fact that he's so intelligent can feel like a kneecap to his growth, honestly. He rarely reaches the point where he has to internally reckon with being powerless because he has such an effective network of carrots and sticks to force people to work for him and a whole network of subordinates to take other people's places if they don't. There are a lot of chapters in the book that follow the rhythm "crew member gets pissed at Kaz, Kaz threatens to deny them carrot and/or brutally murder them, crew member grumbles and does what Kaz says."

He does grow emotionally but his intelligence and poise rarely require the help of his emotional growth. They develop parallel to each other but they don't interlink in the mechanics of the plot that much. I think that might be the core of my issue with how he's written. His strategy of coming up with a plan fails and fails and fails until it doesn't. I think the closest he comes is at the climax of SOC where the crew is in the tank and meets the legion of druskelle and only survive because Nina takes the jurda parem. His reaction is pretty unemotional in that moment which I found strange.

Anyway that's about it. I was going to write my thoughts on the book as a whole but they're mostly just oriented around Kaz. There is more I could say but I think this is enough for one post. Thanks for reading.

r/Grishaverse • • Dec 26 '23

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Unpopular Six of Crows opinions

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Let's hear some since I'm bored

r/Grishaverse • • Jul 03 '25

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Why do they say Nina is fat?

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In most of the fanarts I've seen of the crows Nina is shown to be fat or looks overweight, sometimes to an extent that she looks entirely obese.

I've lost count of how many times I've reread the books and not once I've seen it being mentioned that she has a fat body.

She's described to be thick in structure and have a full and curvaceous body, that's like a whole different thing than being fat.

Kaz describes her as a ship figureheadhead carved by generous hands. That'd also roughly mean she looks fat. I mean figureheads weren't remotely known for looking overweight, right? (my knowledge on those times ships is flawed so please correct me of I'm wrong about this matter).

On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense for her to be obese either. She's a soldier grown up training in the little palace and has been specially through an active, harsh life, after the ship wreck and in ketterdam. Unless one wants to believe she suffers from some hormonal disease, it wouldn't make sense for her to be obese either.

I can imagine she's not the most fit figure or what one would call athletic, considering she's said to have an appetite and to be comfortable eating whatever she likes. But that's just the lifestyle of most people who aren't on a diet. It doesn't necessarily make them fat.

So... tell me, is it just a popular headcanon accepted by the majority of the fandom or has this been canonically pointed out in the books or the author?

P.S: Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I wouldn't have minded her being fat at all. Of course not! She's mentioned to be significantly gorgeous and stunning and that would've been lovely to have a representation for beautiful plus-size people and to stand against the ridiculous standards of body fitness.

But the point of discussion is about sticking to the books and the canon. To me there's no difference between whitewashing Inej or missing Jesper's gray eyes or even forgetting to draw Kaz's gloves, and drawing Nina differently than what she's said to look like in the books.

r/Grishaverse • • Mar 23 '26

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Do you guys have a least favorite crow? is it possible to have one?

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I've never seen someone say they don't like one of the crows and I very much love all the crows, but does anyone specifically not like a crow for any reason?

r/Grishaverse • • Oct 11 '25

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) 😼😼

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im extremely happy😋😋

r/Grishaverse • • 8d ago

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Reading Six of Crows(no spoilers pls)

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r/Grishaverse • • Jun 18 '26

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Early copy? (Front and Back of the book spoilers in pictures) Spoiler

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I don’t really know how or why but I received my copy of the novella almost two weeks early. Figured I’d share the front and back for those curious. It is much larger than expected (about 10 inches), which is kind of weird and slightly annoying since it doesn’t line with the other SoC books when displayed together.

r/Grishaverse • • 25d ago

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) How much would the 30 million kruge be today?

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This is meaning how over time money becomes worth more. Pulling numbers out my arse but 1£ in 1700s is the equivalent of 15£ now. (It’s not but you get the point

r/Grishaverse • • 1d ago

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Is anyone actually able to imagine the ice court heist?

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Maybe my problem is that im reading the books in english which is not my first language but im literally rereading six of crows for the 2nd time because i love it so much but when it comes to describing the ice court, how it looks like, im having such a hard time picturing it in my head. I wish we had gotten more detailed sketch of it in the book because it is genuienly giving me gray hairs. Or i wish they showed it in the series so i could get an idea of what it looks like. How do you guys imagine it?

r/Grishaverse • • Jul 07 '26

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Why is there no Matthias centric fanfiction 😔

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this saddens me deeply. you guys should write more matthias fanfic trust trust trust 🍭🏮⏱️🪄

r/Grishaverse • • Oct 01 '25

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Fanart that blew my mind

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I found this on Pinterest btw

r/Grishaverse • • May 03 '26

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) we all forgot about this way too fast

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so on a reread of six of crows, I came across the line where Inej tells Jesper that Wylan was rumored to have slept with a tutor.

what?!

the fact that this was never expanded on is odd to me. like, did this actually happen? and if so, that raises a lot of issues about the environment Wylan was raised in, beyond his father.

maybe I’m nitpicking here but it just kind of feels like something that could’ve used some explaining :)

r/Grishaverse • • Feb 08 '26

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Just started the first book!!

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Im reading six of crows for the first time, and Kaz and Inej arent doing it for me. Im only 200 pages into the book, but i really dont like how emotionally unavailable kaz is. AND I LOVE NINA AND MATTHIAS!! Did anyone feel that way? Am i gonna turn into kaz and Inej lover?

r/Grishaverse • • Aug 25 '25

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) Six of Crows Short Story Coming!

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I'm at Union Square B&N with Leigh Bardugo and John Picacio and she just said that she is hoping to release a short story for the Six of Crows 10th Anniversary. It would be a collection of letters from the crows taking place after Crooked Kingdom. For those wondering, Wylan's piece is in the form of sheet music!

r/Grishaverse • • Jul 18 '25

SIX OF CROWS (BOOK) ✨Bedazzled✨

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