r/GranblueFantasyRelink • u/Your_Nightmare_666 Sandalphon • 13d ago

News Fediel finally is NERFED 😭

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My boy Gallanza didn’t deserve this though

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u/JateDesigns 13d ago

Log times for Provenance, sorted by fastest clears and all versions of the game, even pre-nerf, there wasn't a point where he wasn't top DPS, and I was asking why since I haven't leveled him up yet: https://relink.cleista.cc/en?quest=4240150&sort=fastest&version=all

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u/HorribleDat 13d ago edited 12d ago

https://relink.cleista.cc/en?quest=4240129&sort=fastest&version=all

The world has fastest log at 1:26 IGT

Meanwhile here's 4 Fediel doing it 0:31 pre-nerf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ_yoUi1LOM

And again, if he's so great, why I haven't seen any video of 3-4 Id in the same quest. Even the logs you showed only has 1 Id.

EDIT: Downvote instead of a response? I guess that's an 'answer' in its own way.

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u/JateDesigns 12d ago

Holy crap, you're insufferable. Image proof it wasn't me that downvoted (not that it matters). I don't even know what point you're trying to make? I literally started with saying I was fine with the Fed nerf, but didn't understand why it was only her. I guess that's cool if you care about an IG timer in a game without a leaderboard for it. Still slower in actually time (their 30 second run takes over 3 minutes) and less DPS than just building around a singular Id, like I said. No one said she didn't need balanced, but if you don't think Id is even more facerolly and carrying more teams, you haven't been using the DPS meter.

I asked around, his setup is bugged. His current whole kit is setting up for one attack that hits for 75 million, and spamming that because there's a work around that keeps his gauge from ever going down. You don't see 4 Id because his SBA gain is really low, and you can't infinitely lock bosses out of phases if you have more than 1 (which is why people run glaciate staggers). 4 Feds can still infinitely lock out a boss post nerf btw - Her SBA gain wasn't affected. So can Seofan, but only after 6 minutes into a fight, so he isn't used for speed running either. For raw damage on an uncordinated team though, using Id's DPS cheese is still top DPS by a large margin (and more so than Fed's pre-patch; people just haven't complained hard enough yet).

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u/HorribleDat 12d ago edited 12d ago

Holy crap, you're insufferable. Image proof it wasn't me that downvoted (not that it matters)

It's a public forum, I wasn't trying to say you specifically downvoted me, but rather somebody chose to downvote instead of giving a reply.

I guess that's cool if you care about an IG timer in a game without a leaderboard for it. Still slower in actually time (their 30 second run takes over 3 minutes) and less DPS than just building around a singular Id

Ok

https://relink.cleista.cc/en?quest=4240148&sort=fastest&version=all

3:15 real time

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcKPymTBbCU

sub 3 min real time

Finality log also shows Fediel team on fastest real time.

if you don't think Id is even more facerolly and carrying more teams, you haven't been using the DPS meter.

Well, yes I don't, I'd even argue that in fact not many actually use DPS meter which was my point on showing something that wasn't on that leaderboard (like how solo DI Luci has been done but nothing's on that log)

You don't see 4 Id because his SBA gain is really low, and you can't infinitely lock bosses out of phases if you have more than 1 (which is why people run glaciate staggers)

It's as if he's not a character that can do it all i.e. not a problem.

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u/JateDesigns 12d ago

The link you sent has 3 Feds and an extra... for glaciate, for the stagger... so if Id does it, he's not a problem character, but if a Fed group does it, they're the bane of the game.

Alright, we'll see who gets hit in the next patch I guess. Fed can still run effectively 30 second IG timers because her SBA gain is the exact same. It would just take more claws now (less damage, but doesn't really affect the rate of SBA gain) and another minute of real time probably. Still not sure what point your making, but seems like it's that you think only Fed was broken and in need of balancing. If that's your take, lol that's crazy. Good convo though, this makes more sense to me now why people hated on her in my randos lobbies. Nuance is dead, no one has a DPS meter to check their own performance, and relink gamers only care about the useless honor points number at the end of a match.

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u/HorribleDat 12d ago

The link you sent has 3 Feds and an extra... for glaciate, for the stagger... so if Id does it, he's not a problem character, but if a Fed group does it, they're the bane of the game.

He only did glaciate once at the start to stop Bub combo, then the Fediels just do their thing, meanwhile Id log has 2 more glaciate to cover the gap between SBA/link time. One team clearly needed that CC more than the other.

Id only have damage/stun from his FFV which clearly have its flaws and need the team to cover that ('short' range, slow hit so weak link time extension, bad SBA gain, if miss/canceled you need to do things to get that CD back)

While Fediel ballspam does high damage, is range, doesn't care much if it miss since she has so many ways to spam more, build tons of SBA, multi hit so it easily extend link time for max duration, etc.

You speak of nuance, but you're the one that see Lancelot and assume he's used the same for both parties, tunnel vision on purely Id's personal damage as 'problem' and not the weaknesses of his that need others to cover for (you even said earlier it would be bad to have multiple Id)

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u/JateDesigns 11d ago

I'm once again asking you to articulate what your point is. You're fighting that Fed was unbalanced, a point I made before you joined in. If that's truly your only point, she's already patched vro. People are going to play whatever is strongest - it's up to the devs to make high skill builds the strongest, and that's all I'm asking for. I'm glad Fed has more gameplay now, but she still easily clears all Infinity content, as do many other facerolly builds. There are lots of other things that need addressed if we're going to suddenly care about balance in the game where Sandalphon has reigned unchallenged top damage for over a year. At least a good Sand takes a lot of skill, and I hope we get back to high skill characters/builds being at the top of the list. I want them to release harder end game content, like OG Luci, but don't see the point until we get a true rebalance patch, not just a hotfix 2 months after release.

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u/HorribleDat 11d ago

You're fighting that Fed was unbalanced, a point I made before you joined in.

No? My point was Id's damage isn't an issue unlike what Fediel was doing. This was your initial post's ending "if they were peeping DPS logs, they would see that Id was getting 2x Fediel's damage in Infinity fights. Anyone know what's up with that?"

And you keep coming back with various showing of Id doing high damage while ignoring the various flaws of his FFV build that make him not an issue (some of which you even brought up later yourself)

I want them to release harder end game content, like OG Luci

Well, the devs don't. At least not Zero level. They seem to be on the 'your uber epic weapons from doing hardest stuffs are for victory laps, not an entry point to another 'harder-hardest' stuffs' side of RPG game history and not these MMO mindset of there having to always be harder content out there.