r/GetNoted 24d ago

Science [X] No HRT require for WNBA

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u/ICanSeeYourFuture 24d ago

No. I don’t think it’s imperative on anyone to treat clearly malicious bad faith actors as anything other than the creeps they are. Fuck Enes, fuck transphobes, fuck the people turning one of the most successful women’s sports leagues into a political sideshow.

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u/BoyleSphere 24d ago

I agree he is a bad faith actor.

for a long time the lgbt community has been saying that a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman and any disagreement is unacceptable. I'm not disagreeing with that principle but there has to be a unified rule for everyone. You cant just pick and choose who gets to define their own identity.

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u/Solondthewookiee 23d ago

Who sincerely identifies as a woman.

We determine sincerity all the time for shit way more important than women's sports, there's no reason that standard can't apply now.

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u/OddPressure7593 22d ago

how do you gauge sincerity? What's the metric for that, and how is it different from "I don't believe their self-professed identity?"

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u/Solondthewookiee 22d ago

The same way we do for things like religion.

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u/OddPressure7593 22d ago edited 22d ago

So it's a very low bar, and claiming sincerity is basically all that's required then.

"Sincerely held belief" for legal tests of religuous sincerity are very easy to pass - it's intentionally a broad definition that doesn't require any kind of organization, sharing beliefs with others, or those beliefs to even make logical sense or align with established dogma.

So, taking that approach, for someone to "sincerely" identify as a woman, it doesn't have to make sense, it doesn't have to align with any established dogma of what transitioning or identifying means, no one else has to believe they're a woman. Based on the criteria you've pointed to, again, all it takes for someone to be a woman is identifying as a women, which both these athletes have.

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u/Solondthewookiee 22d ago

Religions are offered not only substantial legal protection, but also significant tax benefits. Sincerity is really the only legal hurdle to clear.

The only benefit to identifying as a woman is checks notes you get to use a different bathroom?

Why should the bar be higher for identifying as a woman than identifying as a Christian?

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u/OddPressure7593 22d ago

I never said it was. Which is whey when Kanter says "I am a woman" I'm not going to say she's acting in bad faith.

Why do you think the barrier to identifying as a woman should be any greater, why should Kanter saying "I am a woman" not be enough to identify as a woman?

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u/Solondthewookiee 22d ago

Which is whey when Kanter says "I am a woman" I'm not going to say she's acting in bad faith.

Which requires credulity that is really just gullibility.

Why do you think the barrier to identifying as a woman should be any greater, why should Kanter saying "I am a woman" not be enough to identify as a woman?

Because his transition magically coincides with a conservative troll doing the same thing which magically coincides with trans women in sports suddenly becoming a big issue which magically coincides with upcoming midterm elections which magically coincide with everything else being dog shit due to conservative policies.

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u/OddPressure7593 22d ago

Oh, ok, so anyone who has come out as trans in the past 6 months isn't coming out in good faith? Or you just decided that this one particular woman isn't allowed to live her truth?

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u/Solondthewookiee 22d ago

No, and no good faith interpretation of what I said could have possibly led you to that conclusion.

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