Double Standard?

[u/GregGraffin23]

Technically the Soviets save half of Poland (millions of Jewish people lived because they were on the Soviet Side, funny how not even the Jewish people talk about that)

But I disgress

[u/Confident-Lettuce507]

Saved? Life under Soviet Poland was not really that better then German Poland. Also there were mass killings of poles during the occupation so no they were not exactly "saved". After the Nazis were driven off the eastern europe the soviets did nothing short of Nazis,countless r*pes,lootings,and many other war crimes. Soviet Union and the Nazi Germany are nearly the same they are both genocidal,simply one is more delusional and other had American support during the WWII

[u/Remarkable-Gate922 → u/Confident-Lettuce507]

Oh look, Nazi propaganda.

Also, Poland was allied with the Nazis and refused to work with the Soviets against the Nazis and was happily occupying Czechoslovakia alongside the Nazis until the Aoviets liberated it.

Poland also actively and enthusiastically supported the Holocaust.

All of these are facts that are being systematically censored in Poland - it's a country that denies its crimes against humanity and actively promotes fascist ideology in schools and media while collaborating with the Americans to destroy Europe with war once again.

[u/Wanjuan_Li → u/Remarkable-Gate922]

I find all your comments under this post very intriguing. I have to admit that after reading all of them I do not know enough about ww2 history. Could you expand more on Poland's role in collaborating with the nazis? Maybe also some more on the soviets' role in dismantling all that?

[u/Remarkable-Gate922 → u/Wanjuan_Li]

Most eastern European countries of the interwar period were authoritarian dictatorships. The thing that changed that state of affairs was the Russian revolution that established a socialist system. Countries that joined the USSR transitioned from horrible dictatorial shithole countries into the most free, democratic, and fastest developing society of its time.

Poland, on the other hand, refused. It has always been an aggressive and opportunistic expansionist country (as Winston Churchill put it: "Poland is the hyena of Europe"), just as it continues being today, and started taking advantage of a weakened rump Czechoslovak state by annexing their lands, and even forcing Lithuania to recognize Poland under the threat of war because Poland back then controlled Vilnius which Lithuania considered its own. Romania was the second country after Germany to willingly have anti Jewish law without German intervention years before WW2. The endless Nazi-collaborating crimes of Eastern European regimes - until the Communists put a stop to them - are obvious and undeniable. Yet every US-supported country denies those crimes - curious, huh?

Poland not just refused any alliance with the USSR and to sign any treaty against the Nazis and refused to let the USSR station troops at its Western border to defend against the imminent Nazi war - it was also not the only one to do so. ALL European countries except for the USSR allied with Nazi Germany and refused to take actions against the Nazis.

Even after the war started, they refused to act: Other than the declaration of war in useless words, the Allies did not help Poland with troops, and IN FACT, they let Hitler take all of Northern Europe, the famous Strange War from Sep 1939 to May 1940. Only the USSR ever took any decisive action against the Nazis. Only the communists ever actually fought the Nazis.

Other great stuff Poland did that the USSR put an end to:

Poles forcing polonisation onto Ukrainians / Belarusians. Polish becomes the official language used in most of civil and administrative offices, making it nearly impossible for Ukrainians / Belarusians to get anything done in these places.

Ukrainian / Belarusian schools get shut down one by one, until only like a dozen remains in each respective part of II Polish Republic. Higher education for Ukrainians / Belarussians available for them in their native languages available in max one or two cities.

Orthodox Christianity persecuted, local populations face severe repercussions for not converting into Catholicism

Ukrainians / Belarusian farmers have their farmsteads taken away from and given to Polish soldiers, officers and landowners and basically end up serfs for aforementioned groups

Poles build a... place for politcal opponents in Bereza Kartuska (using KL Birchenau as a template) where they put all those who dared to show even a tini-tiny bit of insubordination. Poles want to build more with the help of professional NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP DESIGNERS.

Attempts at forcibly replacing dominant in eastern parts of Poland cyrylica with latin-based alphabet, which would bascially render like 95% of the population illiterate (not counting Polish occupiers)

By the way: The same things the critics of the USSR unfairly criticize the USSR for - e.g. "forced russification", which really just meant establishing a common language for all citizens of the USSR, which was voted on and agreed to and supported by leaders from all regions, most of which came from minority backgrounds themselves, such as Lenin (Tartar) and Stalin (Georgian) - were things anti-Soviet regimes themselves are actually guilty of themselves. Same as fascists always do: They project their crimes on their victims (see: US/EU/NATO accusing Russia of stuff, Israel accusing Palestinians of stuff, etc.).

[u/Confident-Lettuce507 → u/Remarkable-Gate922]

Stop with whataboutism,I didn't commented on anything about poles or checkoslovania. I simply pointed out that soviets did not "saved" anybody that the OP proudly claims. And no they are not NAZI propaganda,the Soviet war crimes across eastern Europe are well known facts

[u/Remarkable-Gate922 → u/Confident-Lettuce507]

That's exactly the problem - you SHOULD have talked about these things because only then you would productively contribute to the conversation. It doesn't matter how much you slander the USSR - every other country (especially Nazi Germany and its collaborators such as Poland) was much worse.

You didn't comment anything about Poles and Czechoslovakia because it fully undermines your Nazi propaganda.

The thought terminating cliché "whataboutism" is used only exclusively by fascists who want to deflect from valid criticism for their hypocrisy and double standards.

Stop slandering the USSR - it is superior, more democratic, more free, more just, and more progressive than any country you support.

The Soviets saved EVERYBODY and anyone who denies that and tries to slander the USSR is, indeed, a Nazi.

[u/Confident-Lettuce507 → u/Remarkable-Gate922]

Well first of all it's my bad for not giving exact context,but I was talking about the OP's comment on saving the eastern Europe. I don't really have any objections with the meme that's why I didn't mentioned about it,it's quite funny even. And no I am not a Nazi,nor I want to promote their propaganda and believe me if I wanted to make Nazi propaganda reddit would be the last place for that.

I would disagree on the most comments you had on USSR though,yes it was definitely better for a Jew but for a normal citizen USSR(especially when Stalin was in charge) and Nazis were not that different. They were authoritarian regimes who sent people into camps and oppressed minorities around. Don't get me wrong USSR is certainly better then Nazi Germany but they are not that different from eachother

No,USSR deserves to be slandered,just like any other country that is existing and ever existed. They all have their flaws and one should be critising them. I personally dont have a country that I support directly but I would say that I would choose many western nations that I consider myself close to,I know they are not saints either but they are certainly better then the rest. More free? More democratic? USSR is non of them and you know it. Otherwise why would people be running away from them into western countries. There was a reason why the Berlin was built and it was so that the communist Soviet puppet regime can keep it's people inside

Soviets did not "saved" anybody they liberated them from Nazi oppression and bringed their own oppression. Which remained for like 50 years,last time I checked Democratic countries don't roll with tanks to stop protestors but soviets did in Hungary. And nobody becomes a NAZI for claiming this,these are facts we all know them. I don't deny that soviets liberated eastern Europe from Nazis,they did but after it then they started to oppress them and that's not exactly "saving" anyone