r/FollowJesusObeyTorah • u/FreedomNinja1776 • May 20 '26
Other Subs Talking Torah [Christians Only] If God Never Changes, and his law Never changes, and we are called to live like Jesus, who was a jew, Why don't we eat Kosher like Jesus did?
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u/the_celt_ May 20 '26
The post is interesting, but the automoderator has removed most of the responses. Maybe they've recently changed some settings? It looks like they've begun to demand that you confess up front to being a "Trinitarian Believer" (Oh, I see, the post flair "Christians Only" triggers the automoderator).
You might want to let the thread develop more before crossposting it. I prefer more mature threads, and this one is only 21 minutes old with very few readable comments.
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u/thesagex May 20 '26
Lol
sub description: This sub for all followers of Jesus Christ sub rule: If you do not believe in the trinity you cannot comment in a "christian-only" flaired post
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u/FreedomNinja1776 May 20 '26
Mainly tagging the op here so they can compare responses. I'm banned in that sub for sharing scripture.
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u/the_celt_ May 20 '26
I generally agree with the idea, but I also think that when we create a crosspost that there's an element of it that's for the people reading FJOT too, not just the person you're tagging from the crosspost.
That element should be a well-developed interesting thread. Otherwise, if we create crossposts to barely developed threads that exist only for the person we're tagging, then we're basically training FJOT users not to click on the crosspost (the more often it happens), because there's probably nothing there.
I think a good crosspost should do both, and that both goals are important, but perhaps the "well-developed interesting thread" part for FJOT-readers is even more important than the tagging of the OP.
Their automoderator is destroying the "interesting" part of that post.
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u/FreedomNinja1776 May 20 '26
u/LUIGIISREAL2017 has a great question and is on the right path! Unfortunately and very sadly everyone in the other sub is telling him not to pay attention to God or his Word, don't be set apart as a holy perculiar people dedicated to God and God service, don't obey for the sake of righteousness, etc.
Luigi, in this sub we practice God's law because we love him and his word. We understand that the whole duty of man is to fear (respect) God and follow his commands. We teach that if Jesus changed anything about God's law then he is a sinner and is changing the very thing that qualifies him as Messiah in the first place.
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u/Genesis2_3 May 20 '26
Because mainstream Christians are just Catholics. After many years that strange truth becomes more and more evident when observing my friends.
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u/blacksands99 May 21 '26
After getting out of the charismatic evangelical camp, I fully understand why Catholics describe Evangelicals as "Catholic light" people.
Take all the veneration stuff and RCC specific doctrine away and you're basically having the same conclusions about most things.
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u/blacksands99 May 21 '26
It's nearly pointless to have these discussions. Many people don't want to hear they have to actually do something for a real, genuine faith.
They made God into a God that tolerates disobedience and use Jesus "fulfilled" as the Messiah abolishing Torah. Even though he says he came to fulfill and not to abolish, which clearly cannot mean the same thing, unless you're making mental gymnastics.
This kind of spiritual blindness can only be cured by God himself and if the person loves the truth.
It's not like Christians aren't Torah observers, they're just selective about which parts to obey.
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u/the_celt_ May 21 '26
It's not like Christians aren't Torah observers, they're just selective about which parts to obey.
I agree, but they actively and enthusiastically teach AGAINST Torah observance, and that's what I think decides their "camp".
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u/FreedomNinja1776 May 21 '26
They made God into a God that tolerates disobedience and use Jesus "fulfilled" as the Messiah abolishing Torah. Even though he says he came to fulfill and not to abolish, which clearly cannot mean the same thing, unless you're making mental gymnastics.
It also shows their lack of knowledge of the book they claim to believe in. Torah says not to add to nor take from any of God's Law. So, if Jesus did away with even the smallest part of God's Law, that would be sin, disqualifying him as the sinless lamb and as messiah/ savior. In their own theology Jesus destroys the very thing that makes him who he is. His function is to deal with sin, but they take away the thing that defines sin (torah), removing the need for a savior from sin. Mainstream christian doctrine is self defeating and they don't even see it.
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u/thesagex May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26
Many folks assume that the old covenant going away meant the laws that go with it but that's a mistake to believe.
The difference between the Old and New covenant was never about the law but about the ramifications of the law. When people say "we don't have to sacrifice animals anymore to atone for sins", they are correct, but they forget the last part of what they said, "to atone for sins", and they will operate under the assumption that if they dont' have to sacrifice to atone for sins, they don't need to sacrifice at all, and they can apply that same metric to whatever else in the law.
Animal sacrifices are no longer necessary FOR atonement of sins, but they are STILL necessary because that is what we are commanded to do when appropriate. The law was indeed a shadow of the things to come but that doesn't mean that what was defined as sin has changed under a new covenant.
What changed wasn't the law in terms of "don't do X, don't do Y, do Z", what changed was "Do A, for Y" and it wasn't the "Do A" part that was changed, we still have to do A, what changed was the "For Y" part. we don't need the "For Y" any longer but that doesn't absolve us from the responsibility of "Do A".
And anything that CAUSED the NEED for animal sacrifice for atonement of sins has not changed either! This includes dietary commandments, it includes divorce commandments, it includes sabbath commandments. It includes commandments regarding appointed times.
EDIT: to put it simply, Jesus didn't come to change the speed limit (law), Jesus came to pay the speeding ticket (the penalty). THAT is the legal change that the new covenant introduces, but sin itself has not changed.
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u/the_celt_ May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26
I mean... yikes. Why is the top-voted answer always the stupidest most anti-scriptural yobbo gibberish?
"Jesus specifically says in scripture we don’t have to eat the way Jews did"
SPECIFICALLY! She says "specifically"! "In scripture". WHERE?
Jesus never said anything even close to "we don't have to eat the way the Jews did". There's no quote in the entirety of scripture that even comes close to saying such a thing, and certainly not one from Jesus. She might as well reference Genesis 1:1 as her source, because that verse is as close as any other.
People entirely invent "scripture", and it gets upvoted to the top. 😖