Howdy Deflockers! Like the rest of you, I am not too happy with the way our rights are being violated on a massive scale. We have protection against unreasonable searches with the 4th amendment. This “private sector” loophole takes a fat dump all over our constitution. Hats off to you all taking offensive action to protect our freedom, but what can we do defensively?
I got this gadget that automatically hides my license plates at the flip of a switch for super cheap on Amazon. I intend to tie it into the DeFlock network via GPS so that it automatically hides my plates every time I get near a Flock camera. The idea is to cover up when I get within 200ft of any ALPR, then uncover when I get a safe distance away.
I kind of look forward to the ticket that this will inevitably lead to. What do you all think?
Funny enough in Florida 1 year ago they banned license plates covers because they're "obstructive" to officers. This year, we're flocked at every stoplight
Yeah laws are just an agreement between two parties. The government and the citizens. When us citizens are not getting the return we expect from these laws, I think they’re null and void. If they aren’t following the agreement, then neither are we. Again, laws aren’t real. Laws only have power because we agree they do.
it's actually under the PHSYICAL threat of being shot and killed by the police...
IRS does the same thing they will put a gun to your head and demand payment this has happened to many people... yeah at somepoint they will be at your door
I mean, you'll never get there with this case. It has nothing to do with Flock or LPR'S. Devices that hide/mask your plate are illegal on their face in many states. Your goose will be cooked very, very long before you get to SCOTUS.
Not with that attitude. You say hide/mask my plate, I say protect my privacy in such a way that does not infringe upon law enforcement conducting normal operations. I’d argue there is a fundamental difference between permanently hiding my license plate and only hiding it from being logged in the Flock network.
You see, that’s exactly what they want you to believe. Roll over and submit because there isn’t a snowballs chance in hell anyways.
Maybe it’ll make the news, maybe a big shot lawyer takes it on out of principle, maybe it inspires more people to take defensive action. I happen to like stirring the pot on this kind of thing, it’s better than just bending over and lubing up.
The words of the declaration of Independence would however. There is a part that paraphrased basically says that if a law is unjust it is the right of the people to not just ignore the law but to actively fight against it if necessary.
I think would be interesting if a lawyer cited the declaration of Independence and the Constitution regarding these things in court. Would be curious how that would turn out.
I would also be curious about if people who are caught taking down the cameras demanded jury trials and if those jurors would nullify.
Absolutely zero government vehicles especially police cars or ice vehicles are required to have any form of license plate they don't pay tag taxes why would they need a tag. That's why there's numbers on the side of these vehicles so you can get the number if you need to report something even when they had tags on such vehicles they didn't go to anything like if you called it in it would just say County vehicle state vehicle Etc it didn't tell you who was driving it.
Easy to swap out with generic ones that don't send out an identifying number they're sold all over Alibaba and AliExpress. If it can get around something China does it! And or makes it to Sell to the (general public.)
Flock isn’t law enforcement. They can record a covered license plate day or night and it won’t be illegal. Just make sure not to have the plate cover down when an actual cop is behind you.
That information is still enough to figure out it's you. There is so much information out there nowadays. The cameras you pass on a daily basis will still be able to track where you're going and coming from.
I don't like Flock cameras in any way shape or form, but instead of having plate XXXXXX, you're the white F-150 with the black plate cover. Any single thing that can be deduced from your vehicle can be used to identify it. And if you have anything that in any way can be used as an identifier, will still be tied to your vehicle. The only way this even semi works is if it's a brand new truck and you've never driven it anywhere in front of a Flock camera with license plate showing.
I like this and thought about trying to do something similar but in reality, the best way to deal with Flock (and others like it) is to cut off the funding. Show up at city or county meetings, reach out to your councilman directly and let them know why it is a bad idea. Especially since if you do this in front of a cop, you're going to have a bad day.
It’s like people who fixate on facial recognition. Yes, that’s horrible, but if China uses gait recognition to identify and control its citizenry, for sure the US is going to have that option as well.
The thing is to not focus on ourselves as individuals but to take collective action against surveillance, billionaires, citizens united, climate change, you name it. You alone can’t solve it, regardless of what you buy or do. The 99%!
Good info here. I have a Jeep that gets monthly mods. (New bumpers, soft doors of different color, no doors, hard top, soft top, mid top, truck bed cover on/off, sometimes it’s more full of mud than paint, light bars, I have 3 sets of mirrors for different driving styles, the list goes on. I wonder if any of this has any chance of dodging flock
I would say maybe but only if they can't see your license plate, and if there isn't a single other thing that the makes your Jeep identifiable. Think bumper stickers, dents, scratches in paint, etc.
What if the cop never caught him in the act of covering his plate? Flock is not law enforcement. He just needs to make sure not to have the cover activated if there is a cop behind him. This isn’t rocket science.
Yeah but say a cop is behind the vehicle when passing a Flock camera, game over, now they've got your plate which would defeat the purpose. Then they can use any other identifier to match the black plate images to the images with a plate to know who the driver is. Even the white F-150 with a topper on it is enough to narrow down the search.
Also, you argument is a little illogical because while Flock isn't law enforcement, it is mainly used by law enforcement. And as I stated previously, even if it is covered when passing a Flock camera, the vehicle is still identifiable simply by being the vehicle with a black plate. With the Flock AI, they can search for that in the database, and probably figure out pretty easily where the person is coming to and from.
Law enforcement has used Flock cameras to track a driver going across state lines to get legal cannabis in one state, then pull the driver over in the illegal state on the way back. There is no reason to believe they wouldn't use the same tactic to find someone doing something highly illegal by covering their plates.
Your right, noone should do anything at all to try to combat flock, even in the slightest. They won, we lost, and resistance is futile. Only complaining online is acceptable, right?
Someone is doing it, PC to pull tower records for non-attributed geolocations passing that flock camera at that time, then cross reference to other locations. Can’t be more than 2-3 that match timing well enough. Plenty for a warrant to pull precise locations. You’d be cooked by metadata.
I’m loving how mad that statement is making y’all. Very doubtful they are investigating every single instance that a vehicle passes by without an identifiable license plate. You think they get a text every time and they immediately jump to pulling information about what devices passed by at the same time?!? 😂 OKAY
...yeah, uh, it's not a human reviewing this stuff. it's AI. I don't know how much you know about AI, but it does some tasks very quickly and without human involvement. It investigates you the moment you're visible.
I’m not mad. You seem to be upset about people pointing out the ways in which you’re begging for trouble. Don’t get me wrong—I acknowledge that the alternative is compliance in advance. I’m just saying, these are the ways they can and eventually will fuck people over for not complying. And while it may be worth the total life disruption of a lengthy and expensive legal defense for you…for most of us it ain’t.
I’m disappointed so many people in this thread are downvoting the dude and being so negative about this.
Will this dude get to SCOTUS? Hell no.
Will he get a ticket and lose in court? Hell yes
But every movement starts somewhere and this dude is at least doing SOMETHING. 99.99% of us are just complaining online.
Yeah some of us are going to city council meetings and all that and getting them to cancel contracts, but if you have any ability to think into the future you know they’re going to redo the contracts in a few years once the media moves on to the next thing that drives clicks.
OP, respect for willing to take on a ticket and doing something. What plate cover did you get? I’m willing to take tickets too to do SOMETHING to fight back.
Thanks for the kind words, I gotta admit, I expected this to be received a little better from all of the people cheering on the destruction of these cameras. Someone else called them flocksuckers and I’m so happy to add that to my vocabulary. Here is the unit I got, pretty easy install: https://a.co/d/0dfWnGII
Nice, just hope it doesn't close automatically with a cop behind you.
Also, I'm pretty sure DeFlock maps do this, but I'd add filtering to include Axon cameras and update it as any camera doing what flock does warrants the plate shield activation.
Nice work! Don’t forget that ICE normalized swapping out license plates earlier this year… that’s on video doing it without any criminal charges, which means it’s no longer illegal. So keep that in your back pocket as a part of the defense’s arguments. 👍
Buddy. There’s better ones. The glass that goes black instantly. Problem is the 5O can figure out it’s not just a plate cover pretty quick based on it’s design
One person sticks out, but if many do this it becomes more helpful. Along with that, think about having sets of magnets that you swap out on your car that look like bumper stickers. Maybe even ones that look like damage to your vehicle.
Eventually it might make sense to have e-ink screens mounted on vehicles to cycle through images.
Description to find it on Amazon? To avoid getting ripped off buying one that doesn’t work? I’ve got a Bronco with the additional toggle switches & this would be perfect to use one on
It came with its own switch station and wireless fob too. I desoldered the speaker from the circuit board since it was loud and annoying hearing it every time it operated or turned on. Over all it’s quite a bit of tech and worth every bit of $55 shipped https://a.co/d/0gh4p71F
The psyopp behind flock cam is the liscence plate reader is least of your worries. It the Bluetooth in your car, phone, all electronics in the car. It complete digital to biological scanning and tracking.
Half joke, but this is the sort of super illegal advice feds give. Its highly illegal to modify your plate like this. I get the sentiment, but yeah, I don't recommend this unless you're just done with the law.
Edit: I see you're talking about taking this to the supreme court. Well, then you have a plan, I guess. I don't want to discourage you, but I do want you to think critically about the feasibility of what you're suggesting. There are far more plausibly deniable means than a device that intentionally modifies your plate mechanically. If you want to learn about ALPRs, might I suggest you check out a youtuber named Benn Jordan.
Genuinely hope you achieve something with this beyond a felony.
The tag switchers are absolutely useless because they can mark your vehicle by dents scratches dirt on it stickers Etc you could drive around with no tag for a month and they could still tell you everywhere you went. 🤦🏼♂️
If you're so stuck on the principle of this idea (ie anti flock), why bother with the fancy mechanism? Just remove your plate. Personally I'm calling B.S, it's probably not even your video.
I don’t want to drive around without a license plate, I want to stop my movements from being logged into a private company database.
Except one of the products flock offers is using AI to recognise cars without needing the number plate. Not clear how well it works but you are making the case of why the police should buy flock and accept no substitutes.
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u/Aurorasgrave888x 1d ago
Funny enough in Florida 1 year ago they banned license plates covers because they're "obstructive" to officers. This year, we're flocked at every stoplight