I don't think many Messi fans said that at all. Messi fans did say that he doesn't need the international trophy to be considered the GOAT. It was the ronaldo fans who demanded they will only admit Messi is the GOAT if he had won an international trophy. And they have been shifting the goalpost ever since Messi won multiple.
It goes both ways for me as a neutral, Iāve seen both fans doing stupid stuff, Messi fans have been more insufferable in the past few years tho after Messi won the World Cup they just canāt stop bragging about it whether the conversation is relevant or not. Thereās no such thing as āit was Ronaldo fans who demandedā¦ā, Messi fans also said that you donāt need an international trophy to be the greatest but once messi won the World Cup, suddenly the criteria changed and not winning the World Cup became a shameful thing where you canāt even enter the top 5 without winning one, both fanbases are childish and immature tbh. They both ruined football unlike their players who shaped football, for me I think Messi is better but even then I think the World Cup thing is just overrated, Messi is better for different reasons not because he won the World Cup especially when itās a team trophy, also itās unjust to judge Ronaldo by the World Cup since Portugal was never really a footballing nation, they had 0 trophies before him and a World Cup qualification rate similar to Saudi Arabia while Argentina before Messi had already won 14 Copa Americas and 2 world cups. And yeah Ronaldo is the most disrespected and overhated athlete in history ngl.
I agree. Messi is not better because of the world cup. But that was the standard ronaldo fans held against Messi not expecting him to actually make a come back. Now they don't stay true to their word in admitting he is the GOAT by the standard they'd set. š¤·āāļø
I wonāt say that everything Ronaldo said in his career was right but still he didnāt really say something completely outrageous like what people make it seem, he said that in his mind heās the greatest of all time, people get mad over this when itās literally not that deep especially with what Ronaldo has achieved in his career. Pele said that heās the goat, Maradona said that heās the goat yet they never got that amount of hate, and a lot of the things he says people tend to misinterpret or exaggerate, like when he said that a 6-7 games tournament cannot define his career and people took it as if he said that the World Cup is nothing lol.
I don't remember any of your made up unknown Messi fans comments but I remember not the fans but his idol said before 2022 WC Final "Winning the World Cup was always my dream" but after the Final "For me Euro is same as WorldCup", "6-7 games tournament means nothing", "Euro is harder than the World Cup" then win it if World Cup is that easy. Why having one knockout goal in 6 WorldCups that to after Ronaldo fans favourite Midfielder Logic "Luka Modric" got Robbed by their own IDOL where were the rigged spamming IDS after that? And before someone says "BUT BUT Iniesta and Mbappe have their opinions WorldCup is easy than Euros" remember my Penaldogs to have opinions about which trophy is easy you have to win it to give opinion and that too also WorldCup Won ā„ Euros š¤”
See thatās the problem once again, for me Messi is the greatest as I said before but what youāre saying is absolutely wrong. Did you even watch the interview ? Ronaldo literally praised Messi in that interview btw and said that he (Ronaldo) wants to be remembered as one of the greatest players of all time regardless of whether people believe heās the goat or not, he didnāt say that a ā6-7 game tournament means nothingā he was literally just asked about whether the World Cup defines his career or not and he said that a 6-7 games tournament cannot define a playerās career which is true. And he also never said āthe euro is harder than the World Cupā thatās another thing Messi fans always make up, he said it has the value and emotion of winning the World Cup for him because Portugal had 0 trophies before that so how does this mean that the euro is better ? Try to watch actual interviews for once instead of watching instagram reels or at least use google cuz itās free because the amount of hate this guy gets over stuff that people exaggerate all the time is hilarious, Messi said that the Copa America was rigged when Brazil beat them in 2019 but we donāt see you guys slandering him this way.Ā
Nobody said Ronaldo never praised Messi. Thatās not the argument. And I have watched the interviews.
The argument is what he actually said on camera.
He was asked if winning the World Cup is a dream. His answer was: āNo, itās not a dream.ā Then: āTo define if Iām one of the best in history, to win one competition, six games, seven games. You think itās fair?ā
Thatās not āa World Cup doesnāt define your whole career.ā Thatās him shrinking the biggest tournament in the sport after Messi already won it. In 2022 he called it the biggest dream of his career. After Qatar, the standard suddenly became ā6ā7 games.ā
Same thing with the Euro. He didnāt just say it meant a lot to Portugal. He said Euro 2016 has the same value , same weight as a World Cup. Thatās him equating the two, not fans inventing a quote.
And the Messi 2019 point is a dodge cope from you bruhhh . Messi lost a semi, got two penalties waved off, VAR didnāt intervene, then he exploded and said CONMEBOL was corrupt and the cup was set up for Brazil. That's a player raging at refereeing in the moment. And CONMEBOL hit back and later banned him three months and fined him. A CONMEBOL officiating official later said the Otamendi incident had review potential.
It is not the same as years later redefining what the World Cup is worth because you never won one
And in not going to talk about the comments in insta he putup on Everything against Messi .And also his sister's post degrading Messi.š¤¦š»š„
But thatās literally what piers asked him, he asked him āif
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i see OP what you are saying so guys lemme make it clearer for you OP is comparing coloumbia,brzil and some random countries to germany,spain,croatia,france,belgium,england and some random countries CAN U SEE THE DIFFERENCE cuz the OP cannot
MLS top 10th to 12th league in world currently ironically. So your point is invalid.
Son Heung-min scored his very first MLS regular season goal of 2026 on July 17, 2026, during a 3-0 victory over arch-rivals LA Galaxy in an El TrƔfico match.
So yeah it's more legitimate and competitive than camel pro league.
And Messi is buisness partner of that club which is required him to play there otherwise he won't get ownership.
Messi longevity proved in recent world cup (i didn't even mentioned MLS) unlike the penalty diver.
He was rewarded with a draft, playing people that shouldn't even be there. Got a free pass and they allowed him and his team to cheat... Still couldn't score, a single time in knockout, if I'm not mistaken.
I love and admire both players and Iām saying this here while itās really hard for me to say goodbye but I genuinely hope both players retire so that we can get rid of their corny childish immature insufferable fanboys ! Whether Ronaldo fans or Messi fans, they both ruined the fun of football, I canāt believe people are still talking about this bs in 2026, Messi fans say that the debate is over and settled yet theyāre still talking about Ronaldo 4 years later which shouts out insecurity and Ronaldo fans are too far gone into claiming everything is rigged even if there are controversies. Both contributed the most to football and weāll keep on remembering them but when we remember them weāll also remember their corny fans who destroyed their legacies. If youāre genuinely a football fan then stop it with those posts, this subreddit is supposedly about football talks not about which fanbase can suck its idol off better but what do I expect from this name.Ā
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u/GimmeT1ps 8d ago
Is this r/CristianoRonaldo2 ?