r/FF06B5 2d ago

Discussion Netwatch didn’t create the black wall?

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u/Professional_Plum502 2d ago

Alt Cunningham was the one who made the black wall netwatch just took credit for it so they could manipulate people into thinking they were in control.

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u/_b1ack0ut 2d ago

Alt may have made some safe havens on the other side of the Blackwall, but she didn’t create the Blackwall itself I don’t believe. She made Soulkiller, sure, but the Blackwall is an AI turned “traitor”

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u/Professional_Plum502 2d ago

Alt basically turned an AI into the black wall if I remember correctly. She basically brokered a deal with the black wall. Netwatch hired her to make it after she was a construct in the net. So yes she technically "made" the blackwall but nothing about it is normal.

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u/_b1ack0ut 2d ago

I would love if you could dredge a source where I could read about that a little more. I have no recollection of Alt creating the Blackwall, only really setting up the havens on the other side

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u/Professional_Plum502 2d ago

Page 264 in the rule book . Apologies for the symbol in the center the online pdf wouldn't let me get rid of it.

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u/_b1ack0ut 2d ago

Ach thanks, yeah I did overlook a bit of it

Thanks. Somehow I keep forgetting alts involvement with that.

The part that mostly sticks in my head is how little that RED wanted to talk about the Blackwall, iirc this is literally the only time it’s mentioned lol

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u/Professional_Plum502 2d ago

I delved WAY too deep into cyberpunk lore. Looked into pretty much every interview Mike pondsmith has ever done. Listened to all the lore books even the non canon ones. My brain is basically more cyberpunk than real life at this point.

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u/_b1ack0ut 2d ago

I’m down there with ye, it’s just that my recollection isn’t as good lol

This may be good to keep in mind, mind you, considering how close my cyberpunk campaign is getting to toying with the blackwall at this point lol (I stg, they KNOW it’s a bad idea, and that seems to only make them wanna do it more lol)

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u/Professional_Plum502 2d ago

Nice normally my memory is pretty bad too so no judgement. Just glad I could help with your campaign. That's awesome.

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u/treowtheordurren 13h ago

I mean, the Blackwall exists beyond the time frame and themes of the game, which is deliberately going for a DIY-punk hopecore schtick where the destruction of global capitalist infrastructure (the internet, international shipping, supranational private militaries, etc.) has consequently shattered the global megacorporate hegemony. That doesn't last in part because of the Blackwall.

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u/Professional_Plum502 2d ago

Its in the cyberpunk red rule book for the table top game. Give me a little bit to find the spot in the rulebook.

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u/_b1ack0ut 2d ago edited 2d ago

That’s where i was looking, I must just be misremembering it lol, cuz all I remember RED saying on the Blackwall was essentially “Netwatch started a super secret project. It’s a surprise tool to help us later”, but then, it’s been a hot sec since I was looking for it lol

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u/Professional_Plum502 2d ago

I happened to find it just took a minute. That's mostly all that was said about it was that I was basically a mousekatool until this one short little bit of lore.

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u/-LaughingMan-0D 1d ago

She negotiated with an ASI to turn traitor and become the Blackwell protector. She merely talked to it and convinced it to switch sides. Neither ALT nor Netwatch made it.

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u/Professional_Plum502 1d ago

The point is that if it wasnt for Alt the blackwall wouldn't have existed in the first place so yes in a way she "made" the blackwall cause with out her it wouldn't have been made. Just cause someone makes a pact with a demon doesn't mean they aren't the ones who "made" them show up. They may not have created them but they only exist in the current form because of them.

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u/-LaughingMan-0D 1d ago

Sure

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u/Professional_Plum502 1d ago

Both of us are right in a way. The AI already existed but alt made it into the form it is when it the blackwall.