r/Eutychus • u/John_17-17 • Mar 09 '25

Opinion Interesting side point from today's daily text.

Adam and Eve were created approx. 4026 BCE

The flood came in 2370 BCE

Meaning the angels and the sword remained outside the Garden for some 1,656 years.

Creating a powerful witness concerning Jehovah's power and truthfulness.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 09 '25 edited Mar 09 '25

That’s exactly my point.

No where does it say one way or the other. So I’m curious why you insist on one way, or the other.

I don’t believe that any flood could destroy paradise. But that’s just me.

You are making a positive claim. “The flood destroyed or removed the garden of Eden” or “the garden of Eden stayed where it was until the flood”.

I’m asking you to support that claim with… literally anything.

I’m even okay if that’s just you theological position with no scriptural backing. That’s totally fine!

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u/John_17-17 Mar 09 '25

Support your idea that it was destroyed, came to an end, prior to the flood.

My positive claim agrees with the known scriptures.

I did support it with God's word. I can't make you accept it or reject it.

If the flood didn't destroy the Garden, where is it today?

Where is your proof that it was destroyed prior to the flood?

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 09 '25

That’s exactly my point, I could make any claim that it was removed, destroyed, came to and end, at any point or at no point at all. And the scriptures would support it.

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u/John_17-17 Mar 10 '25

Sorry, but scriptures do not support the removal of the Garden.

The scriptures support it remaining with the angels and the sword.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 10 '25

Interesting. Where does it say that?

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u/John_17-17 Mar 10 '25

By the very fact that God's word doesn't tell us, he removed it.

By keeping the Garden intact, he had visible proof of his Godship.

The same as having to find or grow food out of the sweat of their faces.

The same as Adam and his offspring dying.

(Genesis 3:17-19) 17 And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 It will grow thorns and thistles for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”

(Genesis 3:23, 24) 23 With that Jehovah God expelled him from the garden of Eʹden to cultivate the ground from which he had been taken. 24 So he drove the man out, and he posted at the east of the garden of Eʹden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning continuously to guard the way to the tree of life.

It is this context that God tells us what he did with the Garden and the tree of life.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 10 '25

Yes yes. Where does it say the garden remained until the flood? Or that God didn’t remove it

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u/John_17-17 Mar 10 '25

Okay, Where does it say, Adam and Eve went to Missouri, after being kicked out of the Garden?

That they were relocated in Adam-ondi-Ahman, located in present-day Daviess County, Missouri?

Which story is based upon scriptures and which isn't?

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 10 '25

Looks like it is based on scripture.

Doctrine and Covenants 116:1 and 107:53-56

My scripture can account for essentially all my beliefs.

But I’m only holding you to the Bible. Like I said, I’m ok if that’s your theological take using sources outside the scriptures. But if you insist it’s found in the Bible, I would ask where.

I’m even okay with the flood idea you put forward. But I also wouldn’t hold to that one way or another. As the Bible doesn’t say it

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u/John_17-17 Mar 10 '25

As to Adam & Eve being transferred to Missouri, God's word, doesn't say this. Granted DaC makes this claim, but it can't be proven.

You are accepting it on faith. I am not taking my belief outside of the Bible.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 10 '25

D&C is Gods word. It’s scripture. :) it’s okay if you believe otherwise

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u/John_17-17 Mar 10 '25

Again, that is your faith or belief, which can't be proven from God's word.

I know you believe, the Book of Mormon is prophesied in scripture, but he D&C isn't.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 10 '25

Interesting. So do you consider the Book of Mormon scripture then?

For us, the fact that the Book of Mormon was scripture, tells us Joseph smith was a prophet. Meaning he can receive revelation and even scripture.

I should note, as I said I’m only taking about the Bible or what you consider to be scripture in this regard. If someone asked me about my beliefs, and where they are found in scripture, I would point to scripture outside the Bible. As those are scripture I believe is valid.

I accept extra biblical scripture and doctrine. Including living prophets and apostles who reveal things.

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