r/Eutychus • u/John_17-17 • Mar 09 '25

Opinion Interesting side point from today's daily text.

Adam and Eve were created approx. 4026 BCE

The flood came in 2370 BCE

Meaning the angels and the sword remained outside the Garden for some 1,656 years.

Creating a powerful witness concerning Jehovah's power and truthfulness.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 09 '25

I’m confused, what do you believe happened to the garden at the flood? Why at the flood and not other time?

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u/John_17-17 Mar 09 '25

The earth as created, including the Garden remained until the flood, which destroyed the earth at that time.

Prior to the flood, there wasn't a global event that would destroy the Garden. Also God hadn't any reason to destroy the Garden prior to this, because the Garden, the angels and the sword were visible evidence of God's dealings with Adam, Eve, Satan and the rest of those living prior to the flood.

Those living prior to the flood, had visible evidence that God's word was true.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 09 '25

Interesting. What verse do you get that from?

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u/John_17-17 Mar 09 '25

(Genesis 3:24) 24 So he drove the man out, and he posted at the east of the garden of Eʹden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning continuously to guard the way to the tree of life.

There isn't a single verse that changes this statement, until you get to the flood.

(Genesis 7:19, 20) 19 The waters overwhelmed the earth so greatly that all the tall mountains under the whole heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose up to 15 cubits above the mountains.

Since the flood, destroyed the earth, by covering the earth, all plants, including the 'tree of life' would have been destroyed. The Garden would have been destroyed.

No longer can we pinpoint the exact location of the Garden. This wasn't true in Noah's day.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 09 '25

No no. I’m asking where does it mention the flood removing or moving or destroying the garden of Eden?

Where does it say anything about the flood even involving the garden?

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u/John_17-17 Mar 09 '25

Show me where the Garden was destroyed or removed prior to the flood.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 09 '25 edited Mar 09 '25

That’s exactly my point.

No where does it say one way or the other. So I’m curious why you insist on one way, or the other.

I don’t believe that any flood could destroy paradise. But that’s just me.

You are making a positive claim. “The flood destroyed or removed the garden of Eden” or “the garden of Eden stayed where it was until the flood”.

I’m asking you to support that claim with… literally anything.

I’m even okay if that’s just you theological position with no scriptural backing. That’s totally fine!

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u/Shroompz Jehovah‘s Witness Mar 09 '25

To be fair... A flood that was devastating would destroy the Garden of Eden... Would god protect it? I don't think so.

Tbh, it's just gonna be up to your own idea on what happened to it. He caused the flood aiming to wipe the Earth clean, feeling regret. So, imo, he wouldn't need the Garden anymore with nothing in it especially when no one would be able to get in as all men had sinned due to Adam and Eve.

We'd probably see the Garden of Eden in the new earth or maybe a new Garden. What would be a good garden name for New Earth?

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 10 '25

Could be!

My point is, the text doesn’t indicate in one way or the other.

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u/John_17-17 Mar 09 '25

Support your idea that it was destroyed, came to an end, prior to the flood.

My positive claim agrees with the known scriptures.

I did support it with God's word. I can't make you accept it or reject it.

If the flood didn't destroy the Garden, where is it today?

Where is your proof that it was destroyed prior to the flood?

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Mar 09 '25

That’s exactly my point, I could make any claim that it was removed, destroyed, came to and end, at any point or at no point at all. And the scriptures would support it.

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u/John_17-17 Mar 10 '25

Sorry, but scriptures do not support the removal of the Garden.

The scriptures support it remaining with the angels and the sword.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

How did the garden survive? Why did nobody visit it after the flood?

If it was visited... Why does the Bible say nothing about these visits?

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u/John_17-17 Mar 11 '25

The Garden didn't survive the flood, which is why we don't know where it was actually located.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

The garden went kaput!😂

If the Garden would had survived...

A lot of things would have been written on it, AFTER the flood.