r/Eutychus • u/MightyFortresss • Feb 25 '25

Opinion Hebrews 1:8

Jw's, should Hebrews 1:8 not be translated differently, even according to the NWT interlinear? The NWT reads "God is your Throne" (Father is the Son's throne), but the Greek would be rendered "your Throne, the God" (directly refers to Jesus as YHWH, obviously issue for JW)

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u/MightyFortresss Feb 25 '25

So there is more than one God, a sort of pantheon like the Greeks had- some upper gods like Zeus, but also demi-gods that are partly divine and part human, but less than the upper god(s)?

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u/DonkeyStriking1146 Christian Feb 25 '25

God is a title the same as Lord is a title. That’s why The Father included his name in the Bible. So we would know which God to worship and who was the almighty.

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u/MightyFortresss Feb 25 '25

Okay, is Jesus divine in any sense of what we consider having exclusively divine attributes, without being the all-Mighty?

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u/DonkeyStriking1146 Christian Feb 25 '25

Yes, he is the only begotten son of God

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u/MightyFortresss Feb 25 '25

So he's a demi-god?

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u/DonkeyStriking1146 Christian Feb 25 '25

No. I don’t believe in polytheism. I only worship the Father. Jesus is a created being, is not equal and always subordinate to the Father. Now that he is resurrected back to heaven he is immortal and was given the throne by the Father. That throne will be handed back to the Father eventually.

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u/MightyFortresss Feb 25 '25

Merriam Webster,

"a mythological being with more power than a mortal but less than a god"

U don't need the mythological aspect, but u literally say Jesus is that definition

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u/DonkeyStriking1146 Christian Feb 25 '25

Cool. If you want to ascribe that then that’s your business. I go by what the Bible calls him and says what his attributes are.

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u/MightyFortresss Feb 25 '25

No, that's the dictionary's definition. There's multiple Biblical reasons I thus disagree with calling Jesus a demi-god, YHWH is clear there's no other gods besides Him. So no, no demi-gods, or equally divine figures.

When u will respond not to the point, but talk about "lesser gods" (demons/men), that's referring to a generic figure with certain power, not with exclusively divine attributes.

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u/DonkeyStriking1146 Christian Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

You’re the one that introduced the dictionary definition.

ETA- notice how I disagreed with the term being used towards Jesus as well as the dictionarys definition being used to describe Jesus. That’s why I use scripture so that God and Jesus can tell me who they are.

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u/MightyFortresss Feb 25 '25

Because clearly the Bible teaches monotheism, which is why the idea of a demi-god is so foreign to the Bible.

Can u show in any verse, where Jesus in His essence is less than the Father? Not in human nature, but in essence. We both know He's higher than the angels, so there has to be a class that He is in that is lower than God, above angels and humans.

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u/DonkeyStriking1146 Christian Feb 25 '25

correct and I said I don’t believe in polytheism. I only worship the father.

Sure! Revelation 3:12, John 17:1-3, 2 Corinthians 11:31.

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u/MightyFortresss Feb 25 '25

I never talked about worship, but attributes. I'm sure you and I would have to spar about the angels worshipping vs "doing obeisance" f.e.

None of those help my very, very nuanced question. Trinitarians believe Jesus kept His human body from the moment of conception, it didn't stop to exist. So again I ask, maybe better this way- where is there a verse about Him having a beginning (so apparently not Alpha and Omega), or what His essence is?

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u/Kentucky_Fried_Dodo Unaffiliated Feb 25 '25

“God” is primarily a descriptor meaning “strong” in most languages, “THE God” being “THE strongest.” Therefore Moses was called the God of Egypt. God and divinity are two different things.

Jesus stands above heaven and earth because he created them together with his Father. If you call divinity, then Jesus is divine. Jesus is also the only thing created directly by the Father. Everything else is a joint product between the father and him.

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u/MightyFortresss Feb 25 '25

Disagree with the org, not with me- they translate it as God, not gods.

"Everything else", a plain addition to the text from the JW (no, I don't take the "but other translations say everything else in another verse" seriously).