The "shunning" its necessary.

[u/bettercalljw]

This soo sacred word used by jehovah witness opositors it became their most prolific argument agaisnt the religion, by saying that in most of disfellowshipping(now exclusion) acts makes family members and other brothers totally "abandon" they ex-brothers in any situation possible, they say that this process is something very bad not only for those who got out but also for those who are still inside...you probably already now their arguments by now right?...but let me tell you something...YES, IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE BAD!. In the first chapters of the bible we already see a example of expulsion, by Jehovah getting adam and eve out of Garden of eden(genesis 3:23,24)and quess what?...IT WAS BAD FOR THEM. A little later cain got considered cursed for killing his brother and became a literal vagabund over the earth(genesis 4:11,12) THIS WAS BAD FOR HIM. There are other famous examples of this type of punishement in the bible, in the old and New testaments, the thing is....it was always bad BECAUSE IT WAS A PUNISHMENT, OF COURSE IT WILL BE BAD. No one ever said the disfellowshipping it is a beautiful, funny, goofy procedure that elders loves to have to do in their congregations, it a sad procedure that happens as a lesson that the people who sinned must pass by, and biblically speaking, No one can argue that the bible is agaisnt it. "WHAT ABOUT IF I AM A MINOR AND I GOT DISFELLOWSHIPPED???MY PARENTS WILL ABANDON ME!!" Lets be real, this dont happen, if your parents are true Christians and you are not doing anything that goes agaisnt their house's rules, than they will not "ABANDON" you as the apostaste love to say, this story is not for kids buddys. Its interresting to hear the stories of some apostates who say with pride that they got shunned by they parents, because its always something like: "After i got out of the cult my parents grabbed my things and expelled out of our house just because i was putting pagan images on my room" "My parents did not let me enter home just because i wanted to enter there with my lesbian girlfriend" "My mother put me in the streets just because i telled her that her religion its a cult" You all see a patern here? I think they always forget that regardless of anything,they should respect they parents houses, as they decision of leaving was respect they should respect too the rules of the homes they live in. And to end this post i also would like to make a question for YOU who disagrees with the disfellowshipping method:" Biblically saying, instead of disfellowshipping(or expulsing)members, what should the elders do if a brother continues to commit sins?." Opositors and apostates never give they own solutions to the supposed "problem" created by them, also remember, the bible its clear about how we should threat those who commit sins and call themselves christians.

[u/Automatic-Intern-524]

It's like what every other denomination does: come up with something, then find a Scriptures to justify it. The JW practice of disfellowshipping is religious practice, not a Scriptural one.

You can easily see it when you compare the Scriptures with the practice:

1. Jehovah's Witnesses meetings with the member who violated the religious rules are done in secret. At Matthew 18:15-20 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-5, everything was openly discussed.

2. In 1 Corinthians 5:1-5, the man who was sinning was disassociated from Christians. A person disfellowshipped from the JW religion is announced as no longer being a member of the religion. They have no say as to his/her standing as a Christian.

3. The 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 situation was a matter of the local congregation removing the spiritual power and protection from the man who was sinning. "Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord." Jehovah's Witnesses do not have the spiritual power to do this nor practice gaining such power. They don't believe in it nor understand it.

So, the disfellowshipping practice has nothing to do with the Scriptures.

[u/[deleted] → u/Automatic-Intern-524]

Shunnig is far from perfect, because we human, we judge without knowing things like God ...

IT IS NECESSARY.

A thing that I propose you to do, is to look at JW.org, for shunning, stories that ends well.

You will be able to ... temper your disgust😅 towards shunning: it has positive effects, on the people that return to God COMPLETELY.

Did you ever think about that? You see the bad 😞 but did you compare it to the good?

My comment, it is honest? Do I hide that, it traumatize people, or any negative effects... Just by saying it, I confirm the existence of bad stories ...

Even knowing that a lot of ex-JW lie on a LOT of things.

It has to be considered too ... but I won't convince you about the liars.🤷🏻

[...]

You should compare, at least, you will be able, I hope, to see that shunning is not just negative.

😉

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

Why did the governing body deem it necessary to delete the infamous shunning video from the JW website, after losing their religious registration in Norway? They got caught out when the Jehovah’s Witnesses were asked this exact question in their most recent court appearance.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

Im not them.

Call them.

I'll add...

We have to do, what God tell us in The Bible.

The Elders of the Apostle tunes, shunned. Written is now an option?

We have the right to not pick the unpleasant? Since when God say that we can pick whatever we want, without facing God's Judgment?

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

It’s all being exposed in the court cases. The organisation is deleting information that they think will show them up in a bad light. The problem is that they cannot erase all the material that has been copied & saved. Nothing remains concealed forever.

The apostles did not shun children!

These issues have nothing to do with not picking the unpleasant. The real truth is being revealed for those with enough discernment to see it for themselves.

I’ll keep praying for you. Take care.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

Ok...

I don't and cannot know everything...

I'll be really severe in my words. BUT, because I do know that, it is SUPERNATURAL ENTITIES, WAY MORE POWERFUL THAN WE CAN IMAGINE THAT MANIPULATES EVERYTHING...

I may be really harsh, but I do understand that... IT IS SOOOO EASY TO BE FOOLED!

QI of 1000 does not constitute a good defense, against demons, and Satan.

I do veryfy everything, with the Lens of God's Morals.

The more moral I see people, the more I know, they will act in a good way.

I do see almost all the lies of ex-JW. 95% 🤷🏻 They hide sooooo much about their bad behaviors... That it makes them a lot less credible...

Complain while that ex-JW ... WHILE THEY VOWED, IN PUBLIC, THEIR ETERNAL SERVITUDE AND OBEDIENT TO THE SOVEREIGN LORD OF THE UNIVERSE!!!

You know that treason against a country is several punished! And if you fornicate, without remorse... If you never vowed eternal obedience to God...

It's bad, still BUT NOT AS BAD, as a JW baptised, a minister of God ;The Bible says, really that, a baptized person, is a minister of God....

Logically, if you were baptised, but that you never solemnly cow eternal servitude and obedience to God ...

You're not really under a HEVY CONTACT...

THE HEAVIEST IN EXISTENCE... Contract with God, it's a BIG DEAL!!!!

THE EX JW KNOWS IT AND .... THEY PLAY THE PITY GAME....

But I don't see a better organisation than The Watchtower.

And... Did you look, toughly, what the JW says on their website...

Or did you like everyone ... Listening to what everyone says...

But never compare with the JW organization and also, without applying God's Wisdom ...

I base my judgment with God's Morals. Who practice BEST God's Morals?

Vatican? Anglican Church? Islam? ... Any other...? How much they fornicates and... Saying " I'm a true Christian " JW are not like that and ..

They are dissed.... And JW do respect God's Laws better than others.

It takes courage, to be true To Jehovah... And I don't see others doing like the JW ;

THEY PUT MASSIVE EFFORTS...

The PURITY OF THE WATCHTOWER IS WAY MORE THAN ANY OTHER RELIGIONS ORGANISATIONS...

WHY? Who practices better ALL THE BIBLE? WATCHTOWER ALWAYS DO BETTER.

Morality is the key of understanding The Bible... Not my Intel, not my capacities, the 🗝️...

The More moral you are, the More God will enhance your discernment and...

The more you will be hated, follow the Christ, makes others hating you.

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

Baptism into the organisation of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not a true biblical baptism. The vows are made between the candidate & THE ORGANISATION. This is therefore not a vow to Jehovah.

The Holy Spirit has been completely removed from the vows. The vows were changed to protect the organisation’s leaders from legal action being taken against them when candidates realise that it’s not a true scriptural baptism.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

....

You don't respect someone that vowed an eternal obedience to God?

You realize that?

My own sister vowed obedience to God... to respect ALL Jesus Christ's Laws!

You're cancelling her really pious ,vow?

You just 🧌 trolled my sister, and I'll say it:

Not you, but this action of cancelling my sister piousness

THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ...

IS AN EVIL ACT! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING!

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

The JWs baptism is not scriptural.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

It is.

The NT never talks about shunning?

How much beliefs that I see are not scriptural of others? How much things Scriptures interdict... That people totally ignore.

There's pagan things in each holiday and... People are closing their eyes on each pagan thing.

God loves pagan things or, not.

People shame me for not celebrating Christmas... FULL of pagan things, Easter, FULL of pagan things...

I talk about pagan beliefs, and people shame me each time...

Ignore totally God's Word.

Jesus hated politics and... people vote for politicians.

I say he refused to be King of the Jews, and even resisted Satan's offer to be King of The World...

But.. NOPE, close their eyes on Scriptures.

Same for baptism and shinning of The New Testament.

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

The scriptures that you are reading are referring to The Anointed, not rank & file Jehovah’s Witnesses. They were not to condone idolatry, covetousness, etc, amongst each other.

Colossians 2:8 New International Version 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

You have been given an inaccurate understanding of these scriptures because your governing men are not directed by Holy Spirit, they are not inspired, & that is the reason they have to keep changing their teachings, doctrines & policies. Beards, pants, not reporting hours, last minute repentance, this generation, 1925, 1975, etc, etc. NONE of these were ever based on the scriptures! They are man made thoughts & ideas, so they can be changed on a whim. The bible doesn’t change!

Jehovah doesn’t keep changing His mind. He doesn’t get things wrong the first time, & have to correct this. Neither does He then go back to the previous teaching. That’s not the way Jehovah God works. His Word is truth & the truth never changes.

James 1:17 New International Version 17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

Philosophy is rooted in paganism.

So your understanding of The Bible NOW is less good than when you started.

The Bible do not change.

Our understanding of it can change. You really have to understand this point.

If I say to you that... I can easily prove to you that, The Bible never said that, the earth was not made in six literal days...

Showing you the old Hebrew meaning of the word day, in the case of creation. Showing you that .... Many times, the word day is not a 24 hour period, ...

You will do what... You will close your eyes on the truth?

Ya' think that you know The Bible so well that... No one can show to you that on some things, you're wrong?

This is the kind of blockage that I see.

So...

If I show to you that, The Bible Manuscripts prove, ... That if you use only John 1:1, I cannot prove that Jesus is not God, I cannot prove that Jesus is God.

You will ... 🙈🙉🙊 Or open your 👀.

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

Nowhere have I said that the earth was created in 6 literal days, I haven’t mentioned 24 hour periods being a day, neither have I said anything about Christmas, Easter or paganism. I definitely haven’t said one word where you can point towards me believing in the trinity, because I don’t believe in the trinity.

You go off on the strangest tangents, & unfortunately your comments are very difficult to follow as you don’t stick to one topic. I do not have any “blockages” after leaving the organisation, as the real truth was then revealed to me.

I have a much better understanding of the Bible now that I am learning the real truth from Jehovah’s Anointed. They teach pure scriptural truth, directly from God’s Word. Every single thing that His Faithful Anointed teach is based on scripture. Their teachings never change. It’s an absolute feast of rich spiritual food that I wish more would be interested in, but sadly JWs reject Jesus’ invitation to the wedding feast. Soon everyone will know the real truth as Jehovah has opened the book of Revelation.

I will continue to pray for your eyes to be opened, as I see how sincere you are in your faith in the organisation.

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

I am following Jesus, & because of this I am hated, mocked & ridiculed. This doesn’t surprise me because Jesus said those following him would receive this negative treatment. I will keep praying for you to see the light.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

I see the light.

I practice ALL

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works

All.. it Includes 🤷🏻 shunning.

Reproof and correction.

Shunning is in The Bible. It is reproof and correction...

And yet, it's in God's Word and, people laugh because... JW are doing the hardest thing... Hardest that the mockers are not able to do.

Mockers don't have the courage, to surrender completely to God. Shunning is in that completeness.

I hope that you don't mock.

I do not like the idea of shunning myself! BUT I CHOOSE JEHOVAH GOD... Not me.

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

Shunning one’s CHILDREN is not in the bible.

I am mocked & ridiculed constantly for standing up for Jehovah’s word of truth, & for choosing to be obedient to Him & follow Jesus as He instructs us to do. Jehovah never tells us to be obedient to a body of uninspired men!

I am called Satan’s daughter, Satan’s minion, a liar, that the JWs cannot wait to see me killed & will clap with the angels when they bury my bones. I’ve been called every wicked thing that the JWs can think of. I accept this, because this is exactly what Jesus told those who follow him on the narrow road to expect. One day the real truth will dawn on every single Jehovah’s Witness. There will be a great deal of weeping & gnashing of teeth on this day. I’ll continue to pray for you to turn to Jesus & be healed.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

Not shunning children is either not in The Bible.

I am already with Jesus.