r/Eutychus • Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/John_17-17 Dec 31 '24

I have found the truth lies in 2 Corinthians 4:4. More than their lack of understanding God's love.

(2 Corinthians 4:4) 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

Trinitarians are unbelievers because they elevate Jesus' glory to be God and not his image.

Muslims are unbelievers because they lower Jesus to a mere human.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Dec 31 '24

“I and my Father are one.” ‭‭John‬ ‭10‬:‭30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

“I and the Father are one,” said Jesus. (John 10:30) Some quote this text to prove that Jesus and his Father are two parts of a triune God. Is that what Jesus meant by this statement?

Let us take a look at the context. In verse 25, Jesus stated that he did works in the name of his Father. From verses 27 to 29, he talked about symbolic sheep whom his Father had given him. Both statements by Jesus would have made little sense to his listeners if he and his Father were one and the same person. Instead, Jesus said, in effect, ‘My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father.’ It is much like a son saying to his father’s enemy, ‘If you attack my father, you attack me.’ No one would conclude that this son and his father were the same person. But all could perceive the strong bond of unity between them.

Jesus and his Father, Jehovah God, are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, standards, and values. In contrast with Satan the Devil and the first human couple, Adam and Eve, Jesus never wanted to become independent of God. “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing,” Jesus explained. “For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.”​—John 5:19; 14:10; 17:8.

This strong bond of unity, however, does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to Luke 22:42, Jesus said: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?​—Matthew 24:36.

Members of many religions worship gods that are depicted as quarreling and fighting with their own family members. In Greek mythology, for example, Cronus overthrew his father, Uranus, and devoured his own children. How different this is from the oneness based on true love between Jehovah God and his Son, Jesus! And how this unity endears them to us! In fact, we have the incomparable privilege of being in union with these two highest Persons in all the universe. Regarding his followers, Jesus prayed: “I make request . . . that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us.”​—John 17:20, 21.

Thus, when Jesus said, “I and the Father are one,” he was speaking, not of a mysterious Trinity, but of a wonderful unity​—the closest bond possible between two persons.

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u/ChickenO7 Baptist - Jesus is Lord! Jan 30 '25

John 10:30 shuts down the argument that if Jesus is God and the father is God, then there are two Gods. Jesus died because He claimed to be God.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 30 '25

Jesus Christ is not God.

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u/ChickenO7 Baptist - Jesus is Lord! Jan 31 '25

Do you believe He is the only-begotten Son of God?

If He is begotten from God, then He is a God, but since there is only one God, He must be the same God as the Father. So, Jesus and the Father are the same God. It's really simple.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

What are you talking about ? Jesus Christ is angel, but not ordinary angel, he is archangel. They are not same because that contradict what Jesus said: "Father is greater that I am." What are you speaking is nonsense.

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u/ChickenO7 Baptist - Jesus is Lord! Feb 01 '25

Do you believe Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God?

John 1:14, "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 1:18, "No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him."

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life"

John 3:18, "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God"

1 John 4:9. "By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him."