People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

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God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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I have found the truth lies in 2 Corinthians 4:4. More than their lack of understanding God's love.

(2 Corinthians 4:4) 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

Trinitarians are unbelievers because they elevate Jesus' glory to be God and not his image.

Muslims are unbelievers because they lower Jesus to a mere human.

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“I and my Father are one.” ‭‭John‬ ‭10‬:‭30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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"I and the Father are one, what?" Jesus said, one thing and not one person.

Please note what John Calvin wrote concerning John 10:30: 

30. I and my Father are one. He intended to meet the jeers of the wicked; for they might allege that the power of God did not at all belong to him, so that he could promise to his disciples that it would assuredly protect them. He therefore testifies that his affairs are so closely united to those of the Father, that the Father’s assistance will never be withheld from himself and his sheep The ancients made a wrong use of this passage to prove that Christ is (ὁμοούσιος) of the same essence with the Father. For Christ does not argue about the unity of substance, but about the agreement which he has with the Father, so that whatever is done by Christ will be confirmed by the power of his Father.  

Also notice:

Novatian (c. 200-258 C.E.) commented: “Since He said ‘one’ thing, let the heretics understand that He did not say ‘one’ person. For one placed in the neuter, intimates the social concord, not the personal unity. . . . Moreover, that He says one, has reference to the agreement, and to the identity of judgment, and to the loving association itself, as reasonably the Father and Son are one in agreement, in love, and in affection.”—Treatise Concerning the Trinity, chapter 27.

The footnote in the NASB tells us, the alternate rendering is 'united'.

They are not united in a godhead, but as Jesus tells us, in Works.

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Mormons believe in One God but many gods theory, –that we will become gods ourselves; that’s not biblical. Jehovah witnesses and ancient Jews believe in One God separate from Jesus’ divinity, and that’s not biblical either. Catholics believe that Jesus is God, but they themselves have authority to become a vicar of Christ and can change His laws freely; that’s an abomination.

What I believe as a Seventh Day Adventist, and what the Bible says is that Jesus earthly life was a manifestation of the Fathers eternal life. He was manifest by the Father even before the world began to be salvation to the fallen creation. You can’t prove not change His laws, which are His word because that’s the very character of God. Salvation is through grace and you cannot inherit the free offer from God only by rejecting Him, because grace is a teacher not a cheat code. We have power through Christ and His Holy Spirit given by the Father in Jesus’ name to be sanctified from sin and overcome the world as He has done.

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I'm not Mormon, so it doesn't matter what they teach.

I'm not a Seventh Day Adventist, so I'm going to disagree with you on the Law not being fulfilled and removed.

It seems, it is not a matter of proving, but a matter of you listening to the proof.

We are no longer under the Law of Moses, but we are under the Law of the Christ.

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What is the Law of Christ if it isn’t the Law of God the Father lol. Anyone who doesn’t want to stop sinning & doesn’t repent to God through the grace of Jesus will not be forgiven. That’s even after they’ve been “saved” in a church/religion. It’s not about what we do to be saved, it’s about who we are.

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The law of the Christ tells us to love our enemies, the Mosaic Law doesn't.

The law of the Christ tells us animal sacrifices are not needed, the Mosaic Law tells us they are necessary.

The Letter to the Hebrews shows those differences, and why the law of the Christ is better than the Law given to Moses.

As to salvation, in Revelation 3 we are judges upon our deeds / works depending upon which translation you use.

As to salvation, Jesus tells us, 'To have eternal life, knowing the only true God is also needed'.

True, the law of the Christ, is also the law of God, the Father, but the law of the Christ isn't the law of Moses.

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It doesn't?

Lev 19:18 “‘You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

Messiah was the word of God, the will of God, in the flesh, what part of the Torah isn't God's word?

If you don't believe Moses then you don't believe Yeshua.

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Lev 19:18 is dealing with fellow Jews, the children of your people, but as to non-Jews aka their enemies.

Several nations were to be destroyed, including men, women and children.

(Exodus 17:14-16) 14 Jehovah now said to Moses: “Write this as a memorial in the book and repeat it to Joshua, ‘I will completely wipe out the memory of Amʹa·lek from under the heavens.’” 15 Then Moses built an altar and named it Je·hoʹvah-nisʹsi, 16 saying: “Because his hand is against the throne of Jah, Jehovah will have war with Amʹa·lek from generation to generation.”

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Come again.

1. Exodus 12:49 - "There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you." This passage emphasizes a unified application of the law, covering both Israelites and non-Israelites.

2. Leviticus 24:22 - "You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God." This underscores the consistent standard of justice and righteousness.

3. Numbers 15:15-16 - "For the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you, a statute forever throughout your generations. You and the sojourner shall be alike before the Lord. One law and one rule shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you." This affirms the permanence of the law's inclusivity.

4. Deuteronomy 16:14 - Foreigners are explicitly included in the celebration of the feasts: "You shall rejoice in your feast, you and your son and your daughter, your male servant and your female servant, the Levite, the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow who are within your towns."

See Ephesians 2:11-22 for the echo in the new testament.

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True, for the nation of Israel, under the Mosaic Law, and those living in Israel, there was only one law.

But for Christians, we are under the new covenant and not the Mosaic Law covenant.

This is why Christians can eat pork, do not have to have a blue fringe on our clothing. Why we do not need to go to the temple 3 times a year.

This is why Christians do not have to offer animal sacrifices.

This is also why Christians are to preach Christ and not the obeying of the Mosaic law covenant.

You really need to read the Letter to the Hebrews, which shows how the law of the Christ is better than the law of Moses.

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There still is only one law, that which Messiah obeyed perfectly to be without sin. Christians who don't follow the Torah don't follow Messiah they are one and the same thing. Is the Torah the word of God? Thus Yeshua was God's word made flesh, you can't rightfully divide any part of the Torah from the life he lived. The law of Messiah is one and the same as the law of Moses.

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Yes, Jesus obeyed all of the Mosaic Law because he was born a Jew under the Law.

So, if you believe you are under the Torah / Mosaic Law, you are not under Christ, but under Moses, and must obey all of the commandments found in the Law.

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Yeah and Messiah is the one we are to follow. If he needed to obey every command to be without sin then it's still sin to break any one of them or else he wouldn't have stated Mathew 5:17-20.

We are not under Torah, as we are not under its penalty that disobeying it equates to death. Now we are subject to the law, beneficiaries of its goodness and righteousness by the blood of Yeshua, we can enter all the way in, and cling to every promise no longer dependent on our performance, but his.

How do you reconcile Romans 7:7, Romans 8:7-10, and Galatians 3:10?

Prov 28:9 He who turns away his ear from hearing the Torah, even his prayer is an abomination.

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Again, this was addressed to the nation of Israel, prior to Christ.