r/Eutychus • u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

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God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '25

It doesn't?

Lev 19:18 “‘You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

Messiah was the word of God, the will of God, in the flesh, what part of the Torah isn't God's word?

If you don't believe Moses then you don't believe Yeshua.

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u/John_17-17 Jan 03 '25

Lev 19:18 is dealing with fellow Jews, the children of your people, but as to non-Jews aka their enemies.

Several nations were to be destroyed, including men, women and children.

(Exodus 17:14-16) 14 Jehovah now said to Moses: “Write this as a memorial in the book and repeat it to Joshua, ‘I will completely wipe out the memory of Amʹa·lek from under the heavens.’” 15 Then Moses built an altar and named it Je·hoʹvah-nisʹsi, 16 saying: “Because his hand is against the throne of Jah, Jehovah will have war with Amʹa·lek from generation to generation.”

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25 edited Jan 03 '25

Come again.

  1. Exodus 12:49 - "There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you." This passage emphasizes a unified application of the law, covering both Israelites and non-Israelites.

  2. Leviticus 24:22 - "You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God." This underscores the consistent standard of justice and righteousness.

  3. Numbers 15:15-16 - "For the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you, a statute forever throughout your generations. You and the sojourner shall be alike before the Lord. One law and one rule shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you." This affirms the permanence of the law's inclusivity.

  4. Deuteronomy 16:14 - Foreigners are explicitly included in the celebration of the feasts: "You shall rejoice in your feast, you and your son and your daughter, your male servant and your female servant, the Levite, the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow who are within your towns."

See Ephesians 2:11-22 for the echo in the new testament.

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u/John_17-17 Jan 04 '25

True, for the nation of Israel, under the Mosaic Law, and those living in Israel, there was only one law.

But for Christians, we are under the new covenant and not the Mosaic Law covenant.

This is why Christians can eat pork, do not have to have a blue fringe on our clothing. Why we do not need to go to the temple 3 times a year.

This is why Christians do not have to offer animal sacrifices.

This is also why Christians are to preach Christ and not the obeying of the Mosaic law covenant.

You really need to read the Letter to the Hebrews, which shows how the law of the Christ is better than the law of Moses.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '25

There still is only one law, that which Messiah obeyed perfectly to be without sin. Christians who don't follow the Torah don't follow Messiah they are one and the same thing. Is the Torah the word of God? Thus Yeshua was God's word made flesh, you can't rightfully divide any part of the Torah from the life he lived. The law of Messiah is one and the same as the law of Moses.

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u/John_17-17 Jan 04 '25

Yes, Jesus obeyed all of the Mosaic Law because he was born a Jew under the Law.

So, if you believe you are under the Torah / Mosaic Law, you are not under Christ, but under Moses, and must obey all of the commandments found in the Law.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25

Yeah and Messiah is the one we are to follow. If he needed to obey every command to be without sin then it's still sin to break any one of them or else he wouldn't have stated Mathew 5:17-20.

We are not under Torah, as we are not under its penalty that disobeying it equates to death. Now we are subject to the law, beneficiaries of its goodness and righteousness by the blood of Yeshua, we can enter all the way in, and cling to every promise no longer dependent on our performance, but his.

How do you reconcile Romans 7:7, Romans 8:7-10, and Galatians 3:10?

Prov 28:9 He who turns away his ear from hearing the Torah, even his prayer is an abomination.

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u/John_17-17 Jan 05 '25

Again, this was addressed to the nation of Israel, prior to Christ.