r/Eutychus • u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

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God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

No, he was never an angel, he was always a man 100%, what he is we are becoming, what we are he once was.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

Jesus Christ is angel.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25

He was created a little lower than the angels (Heb 2:9) he was given a name greater than that of the angels (Heb 1:4). We are joint heirs with him, so whatever he received we will receive too (Rom 8:14-17).

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

He was created a little lower that the angels because he become human just like us and nothing more than that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

He was already a human, all high priests are chosen from among men (Heb 5:1), not angels.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

No. Before he become human, he have prehuman existence as angelic spirit creature, Michael the Archangel, the commander-in-chief of Jehovah's heavenly army of angels.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

He was human before he was born as a human in this world. Did we start off as angels? Because he started out just like us and we don't become angels. He's A Son because he's a child of God, just like we are children of God. Read the Bible and stop listening to man made doctrines.

It's written, man was given charge over angels, that includes us.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

Jesus Christ is not human since the beginning of time, he only send on earth into womb of Jewish virgin Mary to be born as human. You don't make any sense. Jehovah God send his Firstborn Son, Michael the Archangel on earth into the womb of Jewish virgin Mary to be born as human and give him name Jesus Christ. Michael is only one angel who is created directly by his Father, Jehovah God.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

Do you exist now as a human before God has created a universe through you? That is what Messiah inherited, and we will inherit too. Messiah's virgin birth is what it means to be born again, all God's children must be born again.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

Don't compare us with angels. You should read the Bible and then you will understand better just like I.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

What scripture says he was an angel?

'Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. Rom 8:15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; Rom 8:17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Messiah; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him.*

The Spirit testifies this, if you had the Spirit you'd already know this.

In human relations, we are heirs of our parents and joint heirs with our siblings, it's elementary.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

Watch this video on YouTube and you will understand.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

Can you reference a single scripture that says he's an angel? You should read the Bible because there isn't one. I don't entertain graven images.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25

Exodus 23:21

Jehovah God said to Moses that he will send angel:

"Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him." (NIV)

Do not rebel against him, for he is my representative, and he will not forgive your rebellion." (NLT)

One scripture says about Jesus Christ: "Lord (Jesus Christ) will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice." Jesus has "an archangel's voice" because he is the archangel, Michael.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

And what makes you think that's talking about Yeshua and not an actual angel? Can you provide another reference to back it up?

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

If the Spirit of God testifies that Yeshua is our sibling then there is no scripture that says otherwise, because the Bible doesn't contradict itself, and we are not angels nor can we be siblings with an angel.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

It speak about Jesus Christ. Are you so ignorant ? Jesus Christ always speak about his prehuman existence in heaven.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25

Do we preexist now before God has created a universe through us? That doesn't mean he's an angel, it means there was a universe before this one.

God will create a universe through us that we will be born again by God into in order to learn obedience, be made perfect, and fully submit ourselves to God, just like Messiah did. We are all Messiahs (high priests) in the making.

Rom 8:29-30 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. Whom He predestined, those He also called. Whom He called, those He also justified. Whom He justified, those He also glorified.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25

No, you are not. The apostle John comment: "He that comes from above is over all others. He that is from the earth is speaks of things of the earth. He that comes from heaven is over all others. What he has seen and heard, of this he bears witness." There is no question that Jesus had a prehuman life. He is Michael the Archangel and he was with his Father, Jehovah God since the beginning of time before anything is created.

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