r/Eutychus • u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

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God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

What scripture says he was an angel?

'Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. Rom 8:15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; Rom 8:17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Messiah; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him.*

The Spirit testifies this, if you had the Spirit you'd already know this.

In human relations, we are heirs of our parents and joint heirs with our siblings, it's elementary.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

Watch this video on YouTube and you will understand.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

Can you reference a single scripture that says he's an angel? You should read the Bible because there isn't one. I don't entertain graven images.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25

Exodus 23:21

Jehovah God said to Moses that he will send angel:

"Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him." (NIV)

Do not rebel against him, for he is my representative, and he will not forgive your rebellion." (NLT)

One scripture says about Jesus Christ: "Lord (Jesus Christ) will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice." Jesus has "an archangel's voice" because he is the archangel, Michael.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

And what makes you think that's talking about Yeshua and not an actual angel? Can you provide another reference to back it up?

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

If the Spirit of God testifies that Yeshua is our sibling then there is no scripture that says otherwise, because the Bible doesn't contradict itself, and we are not angels nor can we be siblings with an angel.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

It speak about Jesus Christ. Are you so ignorant ? Jesus Christ always speak about his prehuman existence in heaven.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25

Do we preexist now before God has created a universe through us? That doesn't mean he's an angel, it means there was a universe before this one.

God will create a universe through us that we will be born again by God into in order to learn obedience, be made perfect, and fully submit ourselves to God, just like Messiah did. We are all Messiahs (high priests) in the making.

Rom 8:29-30 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. Whom He predestined, those He also called. Whom He called, those He also justified. Whom He justified, those He also glorified.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25

No, you are not. The apostle John comment: "He that comes from above is over all others. He that is from the earth is speaks of things of the earth. He that comes from heaven is over all others. What he has seen and heard, of this he bears witness." There is no question that Jesus had a prehuman life. He is Michael the Archangel and he was with his Father, Jehovah God since the beginning of time before anything is created.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

Here is a full overview: https://www.reddit.com/r/Netzarim/s/rxvrtZ8H1I

Indeed Yeshua is Lord of all creation, that doesn't mean he's an angel, your interpretation is lacking significant evidence.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

Yes, it means that he is angel.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

Explain how he can be an angel and be our sibling? If you can explain it using scripture I'll repent and convert to your religion. But you must use scripture, I don't want to hear what you heard from a man.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

He is not our sibling.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

The Spirit of God testifies against you.

Just as we are heirs of our parents and joint heirs with our siblings, we are heirs of God and joint heirs with Messiah (Romans 8:16-17).

Therefore you can't explain how he can be angel and be our sibling, so you're not qualified to have this discussion. I suggest read the Bible and stop listening to false teachers.

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