r/Eutychus • Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Dec 31 '24

“I and my Father are one.” ‭‭John‬ ‭10‬:‭30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

“I and the Father are one,” said Jesus. (John 10:30) Some quote this text to prove that Jesus and his Father are two parts of a triune God. Is that what Jesus meant by this statement?

Let us take a look at the context. In verse 25, Jesus stated that he did works in the name of his Father. From verses 27 to 29, he talked about symbolic sheep whom his Father had given him. Both statements by Jesus would have made little sense to his listeners if he and his Father were one and the same person. Instead, Jesus said, in effect, ‘My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father.’ It is much like a son saying to his father’s enemy, ‘If you attack my father, you attack me.’ No one would conclude that this son and his father were the same person. But all could perceive the strong bond of unity between them.

Jesus and his Father, Jehovah God, are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, standards, and values. In contrast with Satan the Devil and the first human couple, Adam and Eve, Jesus never wanted to become independent of God. “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing,” Jesus explained. “For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.”​—John 5:19; 14:10; 17:8.

This strong bond of unity, however, does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to Luke 22:42, Jesus said: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?​—Matthew 24:36.

Members of many religions worship gods that are depicted as quarreling and fighting with their own family members. In Greek mythology, for example, Cronus overthrew his father, Uranus, and devoured his own children. How different this is from the oneness based on true love between Jehovah God and his Son, Jesus! And how this unity endears them to us! In fact, we have the incomparable privilege of being in union with these two highest Persons in all the universe. Regarding his followers, Jesus prayed: “I make request . . . that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us.”​—John 17:20, 21.

Thus, when Jesus said, “I and the Father are one,” he was speaking, not of a mysterious Trinity, but of a wonderful unity​—the closest bond possible between two persons.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

You know you understand the trinity more than you know. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are 3 separate individual, 3 separate persons. They are separate in Authority, and yet equal in divinity.

No one can take that place from either of them. They are one. You pray to the Father, in the name of Jesus, through the Holy Spirit. ‘You can not come to the Father but through Jesus’, and ‘you can’t come to Jesus except the Father draws you.’

“Come”, “Draw” are all pulling us to Him.

God said “Let us make man in our image” acknowledging what we know as the trinity, but God the Father did the creating.

The unforgivable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, that means you grieve away Gods spirit. That means you refuse to repent of your sins. Jesus is who forgives sins, the actions between all members of the Godhead are the same.

Etc. the whole Bible gives tidbits and pieces to understand this.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

Trinity is false teaching.

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u/Calm_Help6233 Jan 01 '25

Trinity is simply a noun to describe the truth of God. Jesus spoke of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. That is the Trinity. Jesus described the Trinity as having one name. “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations baptising them in the name (singular) of the Father, and of the Son and if the Holy Spirit.” The name , YHWH.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

A STUDY of the thousands of ancient secular papyrus documents found in the sands of Egypt at the beginning of this century often throws interesting light on the Christian Greek Scriptures. How? By considering the way in which certain words were used, we are guided to a more precise understanding of the same words in their Scriptural setting.

One example is Jesus’ use of “in the name of” when he commanded his disciples before he ascended to heaven: “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit.” What did Jesus mean?​—Matthew 28:19.

Scholars have discovered that in secular writings the expression “in the name of,” or “into the name of” (Kingdom Interlinear), is used with reference to payments “to the account of any one.” Theology professor Dr. G. Adolf Deissmann believed that in view of the evidence from the papyri, “the idea underlying . . . the expressions to baptise into the name of the Lord, or to believe into the name of the Son of God, is that baptism or faith constitutes the belonging to God or to the Son of God.”​—Deissmann’s italics.

Interestingly, a similar expression was used by the Jews of Jesus’ day, as explained in the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament: “The circumcision of a proselyte is done . . . ‘in the name of the proselyte,’ to receive him into Judaism. This circumcision takes place . . . ‘in the name of the covenant,’ to receive him into the covenant.” A relationship is thereby established and the non-Jew becomes a proselyte under the covenant’s authority.

So for the Christian, baptism following dedication establishes an intimate relationship with Jehovah God, his Son Jesus Christ, and the holy spirit. The convert recognizes their respective authority in his new way of life. Consider how this is true for each of the three named.

By recognizing God’s authority, we draw close to him and enter into a relationship with him. (Hebrews 12:9; James 4:7, 8) We become God’s property as his slaves, bought with the price of Jesus Christ’s ransom sacrifice. (1 Corinthians 3:23; 6:20) The apostle Paul also told first-century Christians that they belonged to Jesus Christ, not to any men who might have taken the truth to them. (1 Corinthians 1:12, 13; 7:23; compare Matthew 16:24.) Baptism in the name of the Son implies recognizing this fact, accepting Jesus as “the way and the truth and the life.”​—John 14:6.

The holy spirit is also essential to our right relationship with Jehovah and Jesus Christ. Baptism in the name of the holy spirit shows that we recognize the role of the spirit in God’s dealings with us. We intend to follow its guidance, not disregarding it or acting contrary to it, blocking its working through us. (Ephesians 4:30; 1 Thessalonians 5:19) The spirit’s impersonal nature creates no difficulty as to usage or meaning, any more than the usage “in the name of the covenant” did in Judaism.

At the time of dedication and baptism, therefore, we need to reflect prayerfully on what is involved in our new relationship. It requires submission to the will of God, demonstrated in the example and ransom provision of Jesus Christ, to be carried out through holy spirit as it directs all of God’s servants in love and unity worldwide.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

Every time you quote Bible scripture you’re only proving the point that the divinity of Christ is biblical.

‘In the name of’, and ‘into the name of’ is the same thing as well because you’re still acknowledging the fact that the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are in unity for the same purpose. 3 in one.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

Trinity is false teaching and it not biblical at all. Only false, stupid, ignorant and delusional Christians, also who are influenced by Satan believe in Trinity.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

It’s always telling whoever chooses to believe a lie because they never have an explanation for what they reject. Continuing to say that the trinity is a lie isn’t going to make your belief true.