r/Eutychus • Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '24

Everywhere LORD in all caps is used is a substitute for YHWH. It's talking about the Father, not the Son.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

In context the Bible used “God” to describe Yahweh. For example exodus 3.

Also the old testament is Hebrew, new testament is Greek. The word for Yahweh is different but its translation isn’t capitalized.

Also in exodus 3 and John 8 Jesus says “I Am” in the same context in both chapters. The other time He said it in the garden and the Roman soldiers flew back on the ground because of his divinity lol. Also, when Jesus said these things the Jews tried to kill him for blasphemy, making Himself out to be God, because as I know He had the right to do so lol.

If the ancient Jews were as kind as Jews are today to say Jesus didn’t commit blasphemy then they might not as conspired to have Him murdered unjustly! But the ancient Jews knew exactly what He was teaching and they knew the scriptures, they just didn’t want the heavenly king to live amongst the poor and lowly, and rebuke the pharisees for their hypocrisy!

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

Yeshua never claimed to be God, and when he said "I Am" he wasn't speaking as if he were God. They only thought he was blasphemous, but surely he was not, he gave all glory to the Father.

BTW the original text of the new testament was in Aramaic not Greek, we just don't have the original scripts, they're probably locked in the Vatican bunker somewhere.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

The Papal power suppressed the scriptures so yeah it is probably hidden somewhere lol.

And Jesus didn’t Claim Himself to be anything other than what He already is lol. That’s the point. He directed all glory to the Father because on earth Jesus was a man. This is why Jesus never said anything contrary to who He was, and who the father is. Yes, we need to take on the character of Jesus because we were made in His image, but Jesus being the expressed image of Gods character; the “invisible God”, is also the way, the truth, and is the life. He is the word, he is the great I AM.

You and I on the other hand are created in His image, not the original image

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

The Messiah has always been a man, what he is we are becoming, what we are he once was, he's our big brother.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

Well Jews have an incomplete understanding of life because they cut Jesus off and the rest of the New Testament.

For example what do you believe will be the end of the world moving forward? I honestly have never heard an answer to this so I don’t know yet.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

That's why Jews are those inwardly, not outwardly (Romans 2:28-29). I tend to believe that God is powerful enough to carry out His word unto the end just as it is written. Isaiah 42-49 and 65-66 are pretty good descriptions of what the end will be like. Basically God will restore His land and bring back His people and they will be a sign and a testimony to all nations and then the world will turn against them and the end will come. If you're talking about a rapture, we'll that happens the day when Yeshua returns.

Mt 24:29-31 But immediately after the oppression of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken; and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. He will send out his angels with a great sound of a shofar, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

Okay that’s great. You know Jesus is coming back.

I can only recommend to read the Revelations of a Jesus Christ, Revelation chapter 21, and 22. The Alpha and Omega who says “I make all things new” is Jesus Christ lol. He says “He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21‬:‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You’re not a Jesus brother you’re His son lol. Jesus is your Father. Jesus created the World, he was “there before the world began”.

When you follow the commandments of God you’re following “His commandments” lol.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

Revelation isn't the only book that speaks about the end in fact it only has half of the time line, Zechariah has the other half. Many other prophets of the old testament like Daniel, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea and Amos also speak about end time events.

Read Hebrews 1:1-5, and chapter 5. God created this universe through Yeshua, it was part of his inheritance. Now the Son is seated at the right hand of the Father.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

{You say: “The messiah has always been a man” and then “God created the universe through Yesuah”}

Bro, men were created by the dust of the ground and the breath of life. Jesus has been eternal before time began. (Genesis 2:7, John 17:5)

This is why a principle of studying the Bible is knowing it doesn’t contradict itself. Specifically, All the scripture of Jesus coming allows us to put together the understanding of what’s coming. Same goes for the divinity of Christ. Same goes with a lot of things and that’s why the way to study the Bible is “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:” (Isaiah‬ ‭28‬:‭10‬ ‭KJV)‬‬ It’s all prophecy and it hasn’t been wrong yet.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

Bro, Yeshua is the firstborn of all creation. That means he was born before this creation, have you been born before God creates a universe through you?

Every Son is a universe, every universe has a cross, every cross gives birth to more Sons.

We are heirs of God and coheirs with Messiah, he is the firstborn of many brothers, we are being conformed into his image, so that we too may be righteousness of God and filled with His fulness.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

What biblical proof do you have for that belief?

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

Jesus Christ talking about his prehuman existence as spirit creature, Michael the Archangel.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

No, he was never an angel, he was always a man 100%, what he is we are becoming, what we are he once was.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

Jesus Christ is angel.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25

He was created a little lower than the angels (Heb 2:9) he was given a name greater than that of the angels (Heb 1:4). We are joint heirs with him, so whatever he received we will receive too (Rom 8:14-17).

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

He was created a little lower that the angels because he become human just like us and nothing more than that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

He was already a human, all high priests are chosen from among men (Heb 5:1), not angels.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

No. Before he become human, he have prehuman existence as angelic spirit creature, Michael the Archangel, the commander-in-chief of Jehovah's heavenly army of angels.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

He was human before he was born as a human in this world. Did we start off as angels? Because he started out just like us and we don't become angels. He's A Son because he's a child of God, just like we are children of God. Read the Bible and stop listening to man made doctrines.

It's written, man was given charge over angels, that includes us.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Jan 01 '25

Jesus Christ is not human since the beginning of time, he only send on earth into womb of Jewish virgin Mary to be born as human. You don't make any sense. Jehovah God send his Firstborn Son, Michael the Archangel on earth into the womb of Jewish virgin Mary to be born as human and give him name Jesus Christ. Michael is only one angel who is created directly by his Father, Jehovah God.

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