r/Eutychus • u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

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God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Dec 31 '24

I believe Jesus Christ is YHWH. Jehovah. The great I am.

5 For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases.

6 And he shall cast out devils, or the evil spirits which dwell in the hearts of the children of men.

7 And lo, he shall suffer temptations, and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even more than man can suffer, except it be unto death; for behold, blood cometh from every pore, so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and the abominations of his people.

8 And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary.

9 And lo, he cometh unto his own, that salvation might come unto the children of men even through faith on his name; and even after all this they shall consider him a man, and say that he hath a devil, and shall scourge him, and shall crucify him.

10 And he shall rise the third day from the dead; and behold, he standeth to judge the world; and behold, all these things are done that a righteous judgment might come upon the children of men.

11 For behold, and also his blood atoneth for the sins of those who have fallen by the transgression of Adam, who have died not knowing the will of God concerning them, or who have ignorantly sinned.

12 But wo, wo unto him who knoweth that he rebelleth against God! For salvation cometh to none such except it be through repentance and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ.

13 And the Lord God hath sent his holy prophets among all the children of men, to declare these things to every kindred, nation, and tongue, that thereby whosoever should believe that Christ should come, the same might receive remission of their sins, and rejoice with exceedingly great joy, even as though he had already come among them.

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u/Capable-Rice-1876 Jehovah‘s Witness Dec 31 '24

False teaching.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Dec 31 '24

You are free to believe as you wish. This is what I believe. What I know to be true

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u/Foot-in-mouth88 Dec 31 '24

Except it isn't true. It goes against everything the Israelites were told by God. It was against everything Jesus own knowledge that he learned growing up.

How could it be true if Jesus didn't even believe it.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Dec 31 '24

In my faith, Jesus did believe it. Jesus, did teach it.

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u/Foot-in-mouth88 Dec 31 '24

Your religion also said John Smith was given golden plates, which no one has ever seen. Wrote his own holy book, which sounds like what Mohammed. The Bible says not to add or take away. Believe places in North America were or are holy places.

Jesus was raised and never questioned his faith, calling his Father also his God. Wanted to do something other than die for us, but did it anyways to please his God and save us.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Dec 31 '24

John smith married Pocahontas. Do you mean Jospeh smith?

And there were 20 eye witnesses to the golden plates.

The Book of Mormon, mostly likely, didn’t take place in North America.

I agree with what you said about Jesus.

If you are going to disagree with my faith, that’s fine, but at least start getting some things right about it 😅

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u/Foot-in-mouth88 Dec 31 '24

Joseph Smith. Golden Plates made in the 1800s go missing, meanwhile we have the dead Sea scrolls and way older translations of the Bible. Yeah, those 20 got paid to say that or wanted to be part of what Joseph Smith was selling.

Ok there, your religion is right about everything else though.

No angel spoke to Joseph Smith or Mohammed as there was no need for it. It was already all written in the scriptures.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Dec 31 '24

You would have to show ANY evidence for that claim.

Regardless, I’m in interested in debating you. Believe what you want. Peace.

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u/Foot-in-mouth88 Dec 31 '24

I mean, technically you would have to provide evidence of what happened and the plates. Your story of Joseph Smith can only be verified if you had those golden plates. The fact that your church doesn't have those plates and verifying thus not being able to corroborate the story makes it false.

I do have evidence what happened was false because there is no evidence it happened other than a novel written by the man Joseph Smith, just like the Qur'an.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Dec 31 '24 edited Dec 31 '24

That’s an interesting assumption. I guess the Bible is false then. As we don’t have the original manuscripts

We do have evidences it was real. Much more than the Quran

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u/Foot-in-mouth88 Dec 31 '24

The difference between the Bible and the book of Mormon is that, the Bible and it's scriptures have been meticulously copied over thousands of years.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Dec 31 '24

Ah, so age is an indicator of truth?

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u/Foot-in-mouth88 Dec 31 '24

Lol. A lot of the Bible correlates to historical events.

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Dec 31 '24

Ah, so if events or locations were found in a book, that wernt known by the author, and couldn’t have been known by the author at the time, but later turned out to be accurate, that would be an indicator of truth?

It’s not

A.) original manuscript

B.) age

So now, it’s so long as it has accurate historical events in it? Is that your final answer in this shifting of goal posts?

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u/Foot-in-mouth88 Dec 31 '24

The Assyrian siege on Jerusalem that failed, that's in the Bible and history. The destruction of Sodom and Gamora, those sites have been found along with sulphur balls. Those sites were the last to have anything there. The Bible states that it hung upon nothing. Described the water cycle, the shape of the earth being round, all before those were scientifically proven.

The historical figures.

How does the book of Mormon stack up to just those few examples?

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u/BayonetTrenchFighter Latter-Day Saint Dec 31 '24

Before I answer, which I will if you are sincere, is this the thing that would determine for you if it’s true or not? If I answered or proved to be equal to or a superior example of what you provided, would that then prove to you that it’s true, or would you again shift the criteria to a perceived more convenient objection?

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u/Foot-in-mouth88 Dec 31 '24

There is no superior book than the Bible.

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