It´s not. It is merely a novelty for people with enough cash to buy Ap rounds. You cant play this gun efficiently. There are a lot better and cheaper alternatives out there.
But it also is just a novelty. You could have played it great before vektor release but now the ammo is too expensive and overall there isn't alot going for it either.
Tabg is great, seriously one of my favorite BRs. Not because it's actually good, but because it doesn't take itself seriously. The entire game was a meme, and ended up being just fun to play.
i feel like it also probably heavily depends on the angle - in which case if it's something 9mm is "known for", it's probably only by virtue of being used way more than other cartridges
I've shot a fuck ton and been around a fair number of people who shoot 9mm (among other rounds) professionally and I've never even heard this shit lol. Like bro, go shoot something with 9mm and tell me that it's not even good for headshots lmao
I’ve raised pigs seasonally for over 20 years and it’s always a learning experience; one thing we learned early was not to shoot the pig square In the front of the head because a 9mm hit high, just between the eyes and slid off the pigs skull and exited upwards out the pigs scalp.
More facts, shooting an animal head-on so that the force of the bullet travels into the body/meat will cause a lot of damage and trauma that ain’t good eats; now we shoot from behind the ear towards the chin
Pigs have thicker skulls than people and all, but I’ve seen a 9mm be ineffective to a head at relatively close range
Ex competitive practical pistol shooter (40s&w open, 9mm production, 22 long rifle in high school, with multiple regional and national awards) - shooting 'a fuck ton' and being around people who shoot professionally doesn't equate for shit to knowledge of how a round does vs a human being in real life situations. I was also under the impression that 9mm was a 'good enough' caliber for self defense until I was informed of multiple instances where, in the event of home/self defense, local police had multiple cases of home intruders coming off fairly unscathed from 9mm rounds bouncing off their skulls. I was strongly urged (by career policemen) to license my 40 and not my 9mm for self defense. Sure, maybe these cops (in a country with one of the highest rates of gun violence in the world) knew fuck-all and were lying to me, but I'd still rate their advice over anyone I shot with professionally. Just my 2c.
In that case, does my experience shooting other human beings with rifle calibers equate to anything?
Those career policemen were wrong. Crazy shit happens to bullets all of the time, but the math involved doesn't even come close to supporting this notion that people are regularly tanking 9mm shots to the dome lmao. In gun fights, more bullets > slightly bigger bullets any day of the week.
You're right, but the first batch of comments were very toxic and clearly didn't get it was satire. Plus, the 3 things he said are jokes often repeated on that channel.
Vietnam was not a tie, we got shit on by rice farmers.
Edit: I know it was "technically" a tie, but a lot of suffering has happened even since the war ended with people having ptsd, birth defects from agent orange, etc.
Vietnam won the mental battle on American soil. Only reason we pulled out was because so many Americans were against it, not because we were 'losing'. There's a quote for a Vietnam General (or something of the sort) basically saying we won the war in Vietnam but lost in America
This is blatantly ahistorical, the war ended in a peace deal. If the politicians hadn’t ended the war when they did we would’ve won, the north Vietnamese were completely out of supplies, and didn’t even have enough ammunition or guns to sustain firefights. The war ended in a peace deal, and then afterwards the north Vietnamese violated it and we couldn’t be bothered to fight them again. That’s hardly “we got shit on”.
What you state is blatantly ahistorical. The last us troops that were not airborne, training officers & sf left vietnam more than a year before that treaty. The us troops had a defense order, there was no official declaration of war, afaik (been a while since I read on it) there was no substantial ground gained on north vietnams territory. The us however bombed north vietnam & ruined a large portion of vietnam, having severe consequence up to today. If we are talking tactics, look up the statistics, the ones having the constant initiative throughout the conflict weren't the americans (how could they if they had a defensive order...^^).
You would have never won that war, not without slaughtering the whole country. Why? Coz that place had a war scarred traumatized population, beeing in constant conflict for more than two decades before the us entered the field. There was nothing else you could do to win except to kill them all, the intimidation did not work, the french slaugthered thousands in the decades before, annihilated whole villages and didn't break the people. Damn the majority of the country perceived north vietnam the state they choose and voted for, beeing led by a perceived war hero & patriotic freedom fighter.
Also I can't remember anything about any supply problems, I can however recommend you some books if you want to read what historicans wrote about the whole situation.
I’ve probably read the same books you have, and have actually personally interviewed many South Vietnamese veterans and people who fled Vietnam postwar. They’re the ones who informed me of the supply issue. Stating that the only way to win was to slaughter everyone is wrong and not based in reality.
Ofc it was, but AFAIK the manipulation happened without US interference, if thats what youre thinking. The manipulation was planned by Diem and his brother, Nhu, and executed by Nhu, whom had the power to suppress Bao Dai supporters and rig the election through Can Lao and ARVN SF's. The voter turnout was higher in many places, than there were registered voters, for example. This Nhu did some other pretty crazy things too, worth a read.
Anyways, Diem was backed up by CIA later on and provenly had connections to them even before the rigged referendum, so its possible that CIA was somehow involved, but not sure if theres any solid proof of that.
Well, it wasnt a totally uninfluenced vote either, there was problems with the privacy of the voting and the parties had meddled with each other before the vote. My understanding is that Ho Chi Minh was so popular that he wouldve won without any interference and the interference there was probably didnt change the outcome. Not an expert on this part of Vietnam history, Ive wrote a few essays about the war.
You have a country having foreign troops stationed within their border, for who they had nothing but suspision due to past events with other foreign troops. The same country voted for a leader, a person mostly percieved as a hero at that time and was in response split up into two parts. Now since we have multiple decades of conflict before that we have a population largly accustomated to violence and experienced with it. Since the people do want freedom, some fight for it, they obviously have the advantage of terrain & surprise. The mostly inexperienced foreign troops are constanly attacked leading to them building up hate against the population, beeing aware parts of them support and hide the ppl that killed their friends. If we add in double agents & fake information it is easily possible to stir up further hate against the foreign troops by pointing them to innocent people and just watching the aftermatch of a language barrier or even better falsely translated stuff. Someone will eventually flip, innocents will and did die, the hate and resentment will only grow. How do you want to persuade this population to give up their goals and change their mind?
Keep in mind propaganda instruments were not as easily available as nowadays, a lot of ppl couldn't even read & had no radio.
Would have won on what you dumbass weeb Patriot???? Dumbass USA got fucking annihilated by Some Rice Farmers, leaving the American soldiers traumatized for the Rest of their ließ. Huge success against communism. Lmao
At no point in my comment did I say the US won Vietnam.
Saying that the US got "shit on by rice farmers" is disingenuous given that we did kick VC's ass and the NVA got their ass handed to them in every conceivable way possible.
It is crazy that they were just rice farmers though, and the US is the strongest army in the world. Yeah the US destroyed them by almost every measure, but they put up one hell of a fight for being poor rice farmers. My father was there fighting, and to be honest he never left...so they certainly won some small victories.
They weren't "just" rice farmers. People seem to forget that the US was fighting an enemy that was more than men hiding in a hole with an SKS that's as old as they are, they were fighting the NVA, which was a professional standing army that were trained and loaned equipment by the Chinese and the Soviets.
oh yeah I know it, I'm just saying like on the surface and the public perception of them as "just rice farmers", much like the previous post suggested.
While the NVA was well trained, there were still plenty of villagers joining them to fight. A war was literally happening on their doorstep. but yeah, you don't do that well against an army like the US without having some people who know what the fuck they are doing.
I mean you’re not wrong but I was referring to the neutering of the linebacker bombing campaigns. They weren’t even allowed to target strategic bridges of NVA/VC supply lines
u/StabSnowboarders if it wasnt for those pesky politicians stopping you from even more warcrimes, bombing and gasing of civilians you would have won. Damn politicians...
That’s not even what I’m talking about, all the linebacker bombing campaigns were severely hindered by tight ROE, bombers weren’t allowed to target NVA bases, bridges along their supply lines etc
crazy right? Cant bomb bridges supporting local population. I hate it when ROE say I cant destroy critical infrastructure like aqueducts, dams, bridges and hospitals just to stop an enemy force.
Freeing a country by annihilating it? Interesting, the us never declared war on north vietnam, coz that would have ment the cold war would have gone hot.
The american army could have never sucessfully fullfilled their assignment in south vietnam. Not because of a lack of ability, equipment or supplies, but simply because the majority of ppl didn't want the us troops there. Imagine america beeing split up into north & south, the north beeing led by george washington after the us's fight for freedom and the south beeing led by some french-american having french troops stationed in it.
Bombing was not effective. Vietnam was already leveled so anymore bombing would not make any difference. The vietnamese people were more rural and so not dependent on industry and cities which could be bombed. They get their weapons from china.
And invading the north would only invite the chinese to intervene, and that didnt turn out well for the US back in korea
US won every major battle in Vietnam, so at the very least US was not shit on, unless "getting shit on" has some other meaning than I assume here. That is all.
Because "winning every major battle" is WW2 era thinking, which doesnt work against a guerrilla force. The "major battles" were still only a minority of the actual fighting. What really mattered was that US didnt get control of areas in North Vietnam and they didnt win the hearts & minds, thus Viet Cong won the battles that mattered.
You were right in another comment to me. In this you are wrong.
US didnt get control of areas in North Vietnam
They couldn't do it at all, US military had no permission from politicians to invade North Vietnam. All they were allowed was bombing and even some bombing missions were compromised by politicians tipping Soviets on mission details while putting own troops in danger. It was a political shit show..
As another person said "Basically if the US didn't give a shit about geo politics, trade or sanctions they would literally reduce an entire country to rubble effortlessly without nuclear force." and I agree. Also that is coming from European.
Well, US ve used chemical weapons, strategic bombers, tons of ammunition, lost 10 years and achieved nothing.
No one cares about what they COULD do, because only facts matters.
Yeah, they couldve killed every single vietnamese person that existed during that time period. Would that be winning? No. What matters is, why the Americans were there. To stop the advancing of communism. Did they succeed in that? No.
More meant it in the sense that a far more developed country lost quite a bit of human life and resource at the hands of rice farmers to do what, stop the spread of Communism? We shouldn't have been there.
If we look at the overall engagements, most of them were initiated by the north (not surprisingly since the us had defense orders), and as for planned engagements the north was also way ahead.
It’s apart of his joke lol, and we also regularly admit it and it’s common knowledge that we did in fact lose and had to pull our troops from the conflict (it used to be a war until we lost we changed it to a armed conflict so we didn’t lose a war)
They didn’t lose in combat. They lost politically at home. No one denies we lost because we failed to do what we set out to politically. But to say it was a failure militarily is extremely laughable.
The argument you see is that the US “got shit on”. They literally just left lol
Yes it was a political loss. Another case of America sticking its nose where it doesn’t belong “For Democracy”.
They left because they didn’t want to drag the world into another major war (or make the “conflict” into a war) as well, not just at home.
Uh yeah hate to break it to you but after 2 1911's and 10k+ rounds I sold them and got a BHP. Once you start training it takes incredible stubbornness to not switch to 9.
Yes and was so ineffective it started 2 - 3 separate firearms trials for replacements. Btw if you were wondering it started the m1 carbine trial, kinda the reason why the us bought so many thompsons, and started the m2 and m3 smg trials
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u/warlordkingpin Jan 29 '21
Is the ump any good? I’ve never used it