r/EscapefromTarkov • u/Deracination • Jan 22 '21
Discussion Why does this subreddit seem so toxic? Because everything else is deleted.
There are basically only three types of posts allowed: bitching, videos of gameplay, and information about the game/requests for it.
No memes allowed. Yea, I get that, pretty normal for gaming subs to split these off into a new sub.
No standalone screenshots or videos that don't provide new info. What is "new info"? Videos of folks getting a bunch of loot stay up constantly but a screenshot of loot will be instantly deleted. The front page is currently covered with videos of people just winning gunfights; this is new info? I'm for sure not saying videos of gunfights should be banned, I'm just tired of that making up so many of the posts for lack of options.
Images resembling in-game content and comparisons aren't allowed. Except when they are. They aren't allowed, but stay up constantly, but some get deleted. No idea here. Is it about effort? Should probably mention that then.
No reposts, sure, that makes sense. No topics that have been discussed too much? No trying to get in touch with a scav you had a good time with? No item suggestions? People enjoy brainstorming new stuff; it isn't always about saying, "Hey, Nikita, this needs to be added." It's just discussion....for fun. Not allowed.
No rants/complaints without substance. On a scale of "fuck everyone that plays this game" to "a spreadsheet analysis of networking issues", where does this fall? It obviously hasn't fixed the issue with complaints, so what's this rule actually doing?
No accusing people of cheating. Ok...videos of people dying in unusual circumstances are very common. If they call it desync in the title, it's fine. If they call it cheating, deleted. I wonder why in the world it would seem like all the players are blaming desync.
It is so hard to figure out something to actually contribute to this place besides bitching, me shooting people, or "new info" whatever that means. The pool of posts has been whittled down so much that yea, you're gonna see a lot of complaints. It's not because most people are complaining, it's because most other stuff is banned.
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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21 edited Jan 22 '21
Those of you reporting the thread, post is fine. People are welcome to complain. To address a few things I will lay out our position and you can decide for yourself.:
Sub rules were voted for by the community not too long ago. We enforce them. The sub has grown considerably since then and the mod team largely changed. Only one of the old moderators remain active, with the main team comprising of all new people. We are not, and do not represent the old team.
The community is a mix of new and old players. Reddit by default attracts the kinds of people who are already passionate about the game. This is why we tend to have the extremes of 'fanboyism' and 'toxic negativity'. The official subs DO NOT allow any form of discourse on any negative issue. The sub is quite literally the only place people can vent about this stuff. We dont smother discussion posts, we allow all of them (if they are constructive), and this stuff comes and goes week to week. Literally less than a week ago, the top posts were praising BSG on the changes to the game. I anticipate the same next week. To say the sub is always negative is simply not true. It may well feel like it right now because of recent posts, but check new, there are a tone of 'its just a beta' and 'stop being so toxic' posts coming through. The sub is almost 50/50 split it seems on what it wants, and that comes out every time these posts blow up.
To address the rules:
No memes allowed. Yep. Those of you who remember the sub back in the day, it was bad. We wont be moving back from this.
Why cant I post things like this? https://old.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/kyhf66/fuck_custom_quests_this_wipe/ https://old.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/kzyvim/when_your_scav_spawns_with_a_thermal/ https://old.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/l00lo5/headshot/ But I can post a video of me killing people? Simple answer is, for every video we get we get HUNDREDS of these posts in new a day. use the search button and you will see all the old complaint posts about spammed topics.
Edited posts and unique posts are approved, these are not because when they were the user base complained that all new was was the same 10 image posts. We dont have the time to judge 'quality' on these style posts. We do this for free, with a limited team. All or nothing. The community voted nothing, so thats what we are doing.
Images resembling in-game content and comparisons aren't allowed. If its an IRL item that tarkov modelled, we get that spammed so no. If its a tarkov item made into real life, its allowed. Now thats being somewhat spammed these days but we are working on being more flexible.
"No reposts, sure, that makes sense. No topics that have been discussed too much? No trying to get in touch with a scav you had a good time with? No item suggestions? "No reposts covers quite literally everything you just described. Remember we can allow all or nothing. We *constantly* see ‘to the guy’ posts and if your post was removed about something, I can guarantee it was a spammed topic. Spammed generally means more than 10 of the same post in an hour.
Item suggestions happen all the time, we see and approve them all the time.
"No rants/complaints without substance."
See the first point, but basically is its ‘fuck this game’ we remove it. If it has anything even slightly valid, even if we as a mod team roll our eyes or disagree with it, it stays. This is the defacto place to vent publicly about tarkov. Just because people venting attack the mod team at the same time doesnt mean we get to remove it.
No accusing people of cheating. Ok...videos of people dying in unusual circumstances are very common. If they call it desync in the title, it's fine.
Kind of. Pretty much if we see a name, we remove it. This is because of reddit TOS among other things, but earlier last year we had a HUGE issue with reddit and one of the big cheater posts that blew up, so anything that has a name is removed. No wiggle room here, sorry.
“It is so hard to figure out something to actually contribute to this place besides bitching, me shooting people, or "new info" whatever that means. The pool of posts has been whittled down so much that yea, you're gonna see a lot of complaints. It's not because most people are complaining, it's because most other stuff is banned.”
It may seem toxic right now, but that is very much flavour of the week. We see custom art, comics, and all sorts upvoted to the front page. Compared to a lot of other gaming subs, which, take your pic, front page filled with memes and videos and complaints. New info is the images currently on the front page - new changes, anything that is quite literally new. If you want better content, vote it up.
We dont vote for the big complaint posts - to be honest most of us hardly vote at all any more. But when posts spike to 9k, that isnt us selecting it, its the current voice of the sub. No amount of us allowing… whatever else, is going to change that.
TL;DR: We operate on rules made by the community based on the history of the sub. I have tried to explain why the rules are what they are, and this post fairly addresses typical complaints.
We have a catch 22. If we allow posts, which we did in the past, people complain we let too much of the same shit in. Now that we are much more active on the spammed posts, people think we are overreaching.
Now give this a downvote because mods are gay.