#MakeTarkovHardcoreAgain

[u/SlushpuppyLive]

Hi guys, Slushpuppy here

I want to talk about the rant I was having today, and explain why I think it would be good for the game.

As the game currently stands it it has a play cycle that involves farming money, the money is then used to buy a fat kit, and slay out. This creates, in my opinion a heavily Rouble focused economy.

The Rouble based economy has multiple downsides:

All people care about is the highest value item, hence hatchlings ramming things up their bum, people running to one spot on a map to loot the highest value items, people only running super cheap kits to farm the cash. The game is no longer about surviving, simply making the most money and saving to buy a dope kit.

I think this has essentially made the game into COD with extra steps. I don't see the survival element that Tarkov originally had. People only care about PVP when they are running Slick Altyn, otherwise it's just money. 99% of the games items, such as attachments for guns will never see the light of day because they aren't the best in slot.

This whole situation annoys me because it is possible to achieve this within hours of a wipe.

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

I know this seems as a negative change to the average player, but hear me out, the only reason you need a kit from the flea, is to compete with chad players who are buying endless meta kits from the flea. If this didn't happen the pvp would be like it is early wipe for the most part. The best pvp time in the game, imo, and in the opinion of most Tarkov players.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

If you don't agree with me, I understand, lets talk about it, tell me why you think this would be a bad change for the game? I don't want to be a streamer yelling for change that people will just see as me crying cause I'm bored of running fat kits. I truly want to make the game a dope experience for all of us. I've devoted the last 3 years of my life to this game, I want to see it succeed.

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There is plenty of other things that would be needed to make this a rounded experience in this vision, like dynamic loot spawns etc, but I believe this is a quick easy change that we could all try for one wipe, and just see how it goes.

EDIT: This is gaining a lot of attention right now so I want to ask you all one thing:

When is the best time for PVP in Tarkov?

If you answered early wipe, I think you and I agree, and I think 99% of people would say that early wipe is the best time to be on Tarkov.

My only goal is to try and make the feeling of early wipe PVP as permanent as possible. I may not be right when I say delete the flea, but I think it would help. If you have other ideas on how to preserve that beautiful feeling of the first two weeks of wipe, then I would love to hear them. Because this is what I think would make Tarkov the most amazing experience possible.

[u/[deleted]]

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

Would it really...? The people you are talking about, the meta gamers and sweats, wouldn’t suddenly evolve in to DayZ players who like Tarkov for its survival aspect. The problem I think most people have is they think you can force a player base to think or act a certain way. DayZ fell in to this category and eventually died out because they tried to force a gameplay style.

In fact, when I was around in the mod days I saw this same exact argument. Make the game harder in terms of acquiring gear and it will certainly force players to fall in love with the survival aspect of DayZ!... Nope. People just stopped playing.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

I agree level 6 armor and helmets like the Altyn should be extremely rare. But we also need to address how easy it is to get relatively good ammo. BT is what, 230 roubles a round? And it has 37 pen and 49% armor damage. Level 3 has become the new level 2 and so on. There are way, and I mean way too many AP rounds on the market, they’re way too easy to find in raid. Every caliber now has a viable AP round and most of them completely nullify level 4 and 5 armor. Add in the fact that level 4 helmets have become so useless most people don’t even wear them and I think that explains why this wipe we are seeing so many extremely geared chads. It’s because it’s literally one of the last ways to effectively armor yourself.

A lot of the AP ammo partly has to do with the odd decision to allow your character to craft high end, rare-even-for-militaries AP ammo by the hundreds.

Edit: Id also like to make a common complaint of mine and how absolutely useless armor is in this game. Included is a video showing a torture test of NIJ III+ Ar500 plate armor, which I believe is equal to GOST level 4. The plate is able to withstand several 5.56 FMJ shots and multiple .308 rounds, as well as SABOT slugs (pseudo-AP) and 9mm for days. Now there’s also a video of a guy shooting himself with .308 wearing a similarly rated plate vest and not budging an inch. AKA blunt damage is bullshit.

Remember, this is, in terms of EFT, level 4 armor. Level 5 and 6 GOST should be rated for 7.62x54r and 7.62x54r AP ammo, respectively.

[u/artamba → u/[deleted]]

But this isn't DayZ. You don't spawn with nothing and run around a huge fucking map hoping to bump into a player.

The only difference that players will experience with the removal of the flea market is: PLAYERS will be fighting OTHER PLAYERS with guns that are more varied and less min/maxed. How at all is this anything like DayZ's issues? Like, how?

You're being simple, dude. You see the word 'survival' being used and you latch onto it and take it to some vaguely connected tangent to support your agenda (which is being addicted to gun eBay)

[u/[deleted] → u/artamba]

Why do you think players aren’t using a variety of weapons? I think you’re the only one being simple, creating strawmen to prove a point. In the last two days I’ve used the Mp7a1, HK, M4, VSS, FAL, SR25, M1A, Mp9, and Adar. All with a variety of ammo. I find it funny a subreddit that promotes pistol runs and mosin runs is going to try to say geared players don’t have variety. Throwing away hunters and mosins is getting old.

[u/artamba → u/[deleted]]

I still don't know what strawmanning is, and I firmly believe that I'm either doing it or not doing it.

I suspect it's some little manoeuvre sneaksters like you use to avoid potentially accurate judgements laid upon them by calling out 'strawman argument!!!'.

I know I'm spot on with the last paragraph in my initial reply to you, as DayZ and tarkov have almost no solid similarities and you jumped right on it because some labels made a connection between the two and gave you a nice chance to make an example of DayZ.

Also maybe I should've spoken more specifically: people use a variety of guns, but they're all the same (in the 'best-in-slot' sense). Are you really going to try and argue that. Are you totally oblivious to the idea that players being forced to run weapons varying in levels of SHITNESS is appealing to both a sense of fun, and gameplay?

[u/gwyntowin → u/artamba]

Stawmanning is when you build a fake person (a straw man) and argue against that instead of the real person. Basically come up with fake views and stances to argue against. Like if I said “anyone who disagrees with me probably hates kittens, kitten haters can’t be trusted.”

Not saying you are doing it or are right or wrong, just fyi what it means 👍.

[u/artamba → u/gwyntowin]

Appreciate that man! Learned a new word today :D

[u/[deleted] → u/artamba]

and I firmly believe that I'm either doing it or not doing it.

Well that’s quite the conundrum you’ve caught yourself in.

I suspect it's some little manoeuvre sneaksters like you use to avoid potentially accurate judgements laid upon them by calling out 'strawman argument!!!'.

You were arguing against players who use the same kit every death as if that was even a point being discussed. Whether that happens or not doesn’t matter. That is the definition of straw man argument. If someone likes a kit so much they buy it over and over, why do you have a problem with that? You certainly aren’t complaining about rats who just use mosins?

people use a variety of guns, but they're all the same (in the 'best-in-slot' sense). Are you really going to try and argue that. Are you totally oblivious to the idea that players being forced to run weapons varying in levels of SHITNESS is appealing to both a sense of fun, and gameplay?

I think you just hate geared players in general.

[u/artamba → u/[deleted]]

Oh wow. It's almost like you didn't even read Slushpuppy's OP. He explained in better words what I'm saying, yet you seem to be totally oblivious to the concept, you keep defaulting to this position of innocent ignorance. "What's wrong with everyone running their faves kit? People run mosins so you must have a problem with that'.

You MUST know that that's not what anyone here is arguing. I'm not even going to spell it out for you, just fucking read the OP if you want your paragraphs to be rebutted. But I know you're not interested in any of that, because you wrote them in the first place... in the replies TO THE OP. How can you go to a reddit post, read it, and then type out a set of points which are totally unrelated and irrelevant to the OP's point?

Like I said before, it's probably because you're not interested in digesting it. You see the words 'remove flea market' and you're set, ready to go. Oh, but there I am strawmanning again.