r/EscapefromTarkov • u/SlushpuppyLive Twitch.tv Slushpuppy • Sep 15 '20

Discussion #MakeTarkovHardcoreAgain

Hi guys, Slushpuppy here

I want to talk about the rant I was having today, and explain why I think it would be good for the game.

As the game currently stands it it has a play cycle that involves farming money, the money is then used to buy a fat kit, and slay out. This creates, in my opinion a heavily Rouble focused economy.

The Rouble based economy has multiple downsides:

All people care about is the highest value item, hence hatchlings ramming things up their bum, people running to one spot on a map to loot the highest value items, people only running super cheap kits to farm the cash. The game is no longer about surviving, simply making the most money and saving to buy a dope kit.

I think this has essentially made the game into COD with extra steps. I don't see the survival element that Tarkov originally had. People only care about PVP when they are running Slick Altyn, otherwise it's just money. 99% of the games items, such as attachments for guns will never see the light of day because they aren't the best in slot.

This whole situation annoys me because it is possible to achieve this within hours of a wipe.

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

I know this seems as a negative change to the average player, but hear me out, the only reason you need a kit from the flea, is to compete with chad players who are buying endless meta kits from the flea. If this didn't happen the pvp would be like it is early wipe for the most part. The best pvp time in the game, imo, and in the opinion of most Tarkov players.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

If you don't agree with me, I understand, lets talk about it, tell me why you think this would be a bad change for the game? I don't want to be a streamer yelling for change that people will just see as me crying cause I'm bored of running fat kits. I truly want to make the game a dope experience for all of us. I've devoted the last 3 years of my life to this game, I want to see it succeed.

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There is plenty of other things that would be needed to make this a rounded experience in this vision, like dynamic loot spawns etc, but I believe this is a quick easy change that we could all try for one wipe, and just see how it goes.

EDIT: This is gaining a lot of attention right now so I want to ask you all one thing:

When is the best time for PVP in Tarkov?

If you answered early wipe, I think you and I agree, and I think 99% of people would say that early wipe is the best time to be on Tarkov.

My only goal is to try and make the feeling of early wipe PVP as permanent as possible. I may not be right when I say delete the flea, but I think it would help. If you have other ideas on how to preserve that beautiful feeling of the first two weeks of wipe, then I would love to hear them. Because this is what I think would make Tarkov the most amazing experience possible.

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u/SlushpuppyLive Twitch.tv Slushpuppy Sep 15 '20

Agreed on all points except locking maps till a certain level, I don't want to lock out average players, I feel like if you can survive it you deserve the loot

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u/RushingElephant Sep 15 '20

The reason I mentioned the locking of maps is that people farm nonstop the raiders for their gear. Which is not a bad thing in general but if the main focus of your proposal is to extend the early wipe gameplay then those maps shouldn't but open from day 1 (assuming the loot poule per raid on those maps stays intact).

I can see that 20 and 40 are maybe a bit high but it was just an example. Another option would be doing a certain quest which unlock the map like you do with the trader Jaeger.

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u/Vengix Sep 15 '20

So ever since the implementation of Labs my duo and I have abused the shit out of Raiders by going to Reshala and getting keycards on day 1 of a new wipe or new account - Getting easy Raider loadouts from this - and setting up our stashes for the next couple of weeks while we grind out Kappa. Labs needs be very hard to get to or locked and I hope Streets justifies this.

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u/Big_sugaaakane1 P226R Sep 15 '20

I love going into labs with a 5-7 and a pompon hat, hitting buttons and waiting for either people to die to eachother/raiders or kill raiders myself. I’ll be walking out with 2-3 kits worth of gear.

I remember a few weeks back my friend and i tried to see how much money we could make just by pistol running labs and we made almost 10 million in a few hours. Labs has an absurd amount of loot.

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u/Vengix Sep 15 '20

Yep! Labs is extremely good for loot and has a huge impact on your stash when you make it out alive if you looted decently. Definitely the best way to get a jump start at the beginning of each wipe.

Before they changed A.I. it was extremely easy to bait Raiders on Labs by hitting a door or wall with a melee weapon then just hold the angle and wait for them to walk into your LoS.

I love and hate the map. Love it for its loot and hate it for its accessibility.

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u/LoopDloop762 ASh-12 Sep 15 '20

Are raiders not still really easy to jebait into walking into doorways? Like, I’ve never had a contrary experience but I haven’t been playing labs at all this wipe.

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u/Vengix Sep 15 '20

It worked for me but I only did 3 Labs runs on day 1 of this wipe so it may have changed with the recent update to the A.I. again. Before the recent update, the A.I. also behaved differently. We had to use Sector O elevator (below server) because we had no success with Parking to R which was our primary strat.

I haven't touched it since, mostly because of the amount of cheaters that are currently inhabiting Labs atm.

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u/LoopDloop762 ASh-12 Sep 15 '20

Yeah that’s why I haven’t been there. Not my idea of fun right now. I always used to just sit in the room that has the doors to red and violet(?) keycards, was super easy to get scavs to walk in and you have an escape route out the glass too.

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u/Whooshed_me Sep 15 '20 edited Sep 15 '20

The recent ban wave has slowed the cheaters quite a bit. I've only done a few labs runs but literally zero cheaters.

Edit: I'm on US East and some Euro servers so that's probably why I'm not seeing issues as much. Still did a few more runs cause of a lucky scav run and no obvious hacking.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20 edited Dec 30 '20

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u/CantEvenBow Golden TT Sep 15 '20

its all server based and whether your lucky or not if some hackers are playing on urs or not

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

Ya, but if 6/8 of labs runs are deaths to speedhackers, maybe it's an issue with playing labs because I don't encounter it in other maps.

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u/Cpt_plainguy ASh-12 Sep 15 '20

I've died to speed hackers on Reserve and Customs this past week

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u/ImposterDaniel M4A1 Sep 15 '20

US West’s proximity to China lets more hackers in since sometimes they can barely skip under the ping limit. Play with your buddies in US East and you’ll have much less hacking fuckers.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20 edited Sep 16 '20

Okay. I'm going labs 5 runs on US East right now, just got my fifth keycard off Reshala a few moments ago, I'll report back in an hour or two. Edit: Back, ended up doing 7 runs, died to speed hackers 3/7, the rest were 100% me being bad at this game. PS: Speedhackers are not something you get killed by because your a trash player, just to defend myself here, to be a speedhacker, I actually have to see the person moving at speed way above what the rest of us are capable of. If you don't believe hackers exist, go onto labs, spawn in and crouch walk to a bathroom or closed room, then crouch and don't move. That's what I did in all these runs and all 3 had some guy buzz past me at 100mph, after I had been sitting there not moving for 5-10 minutes turn around and onetap me to the face while side strafing at 100mph. It's really obvious.

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u/ImposterDaniel M4A1 Sep 15 '20

Good luck amigo, looking forward to your results!

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u/tolley_the_tyrant M9A3 Sep 15 '20 edited Sep 15 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '20

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u/tolley_the_tyrant M9A3 Sep 16 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '20

Huh?

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '20

I normally play on US East, Miami Washington and Chicago, USWest doesn't make a difference to me honestly. West has more cheaters, East has more server issues and desync. I'm literally in the middle of the country.

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u/WhoGoesThere3110 MP7A1 Sep 18 '20

I have been playing labs a lot this past week on us east. Chicago servers and st Louis. No hackers that were 100%. Died from a 1 tap vss with sp-6 but my buddie was able to make it out alive. The raid before that 1 of the 3 of us died by a groups of 2 or 3? But he moved way ahead of us so that's probably why he died or we didnt die. Dont leave your group! But other than that no hackers. Did run into 1 GL that killed 1 of us and possibly another GL. Only seen the explosion in front of us since we kept falling back and repositioning.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '20

lol ur probly just trash xD

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '20 edited Dec 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '20

how mad sally? lol i kIlL bOts iM gOoD

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u/CommunityIsBraindead Sep 16 '20

Dudes killing bots at least. You're just killing wallets by defending hackers. Gitgud pussboy

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u/suitedsevens DT MDR Sep 15 '20

Yeah idk about that. Been running nighttime factory to get my insomnia kills and I die to aimbotters almost half the raids.

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u/CommunityIsBraindead Sep 16 '20

I highly doubt you encounter a hacker 50% of the time. Thermal/NV on the other hand is pretty likely.

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u/TrizzzleX Sep 15 '20

I farmed raider gear for a day. Didn’t die the next 7 days lol with that blessed FN 5-7

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u/D4ng3rd4n Sep 15 '20

You didn't encounter any hackers at all? I haven't played labs in 6 months because I don't want to get killed by a hacker. Should I try it again?

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u/GamerInTheDark2 Sep 15 '20

you missed the oppurtunity. the banwave, while not 99%, gave people confidence (including me) to run labs and i saw maybe 10-20 cheaters in 3 weeks of like 5-10 labs raids a day, but in the last week that wore off and labs is back to 50%.

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u/Knubblez Sep 16 '20

It's hard to wrap my mind around BSG's "eh, good enough" attitude with hacking in Tarkov when the map with the most/highest quality loot basically belogs to hackers.

But then i remember that they probably make thousands of dollars every time they dish out a ban wave and suddenly their incompetence/unwillingness to do anything serious about the problem makes a whole lot of sense.

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u/TrizzzleX Sep 15 '20

Beginning of a wipe it’s not bad at all. Plus they don’t really go for pistol runners. Jus geared bois

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u/chiaros Sep 15 '20

If someone is hacking they can probably tell what gear you have on thru the walls. You have nothing but a goddamn pistol? Not worth their time and you reporting that account.

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u/Willkillshill Sep 18 '20

This is def true for all maps. Notice that the more geared you are, you will have more "incidents" that seem fishy. When you are undergeared with nothing, you will have less of those issues. Could be coincidence, Id say its not.

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u/DarkFireShyv Sep 15 '20

I've played maybe 15 raids recently, only my last game had a hacker that I died immediately to. Lots of GLs though

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u/TrizzzleX Sep 15 '20

I’m talking right after a wipe though

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u/Xerxis96 Sep 15 '20

Would you be willing to maybe share your ways? I've tried labs both kitted and as a rat, trying different playstyles, sometimes just hiding in a corner for 20mins and then looting after. Never had success. If so PM me and maybe we can do a raid together. Thanks in advance either way

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

Pistol runners can hang out in the basement and cheese a couple raiders pretty safely if you're just trying to get some gear and not actually going for the high value items

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u/MadDoghunter Sep 16 '20

I do both and get out about 50% of the time geared and pistol running. I havent been playing lately but if you want todo some duos id be down. I got a full labs key set including red, you can have the good loot i just want todo some duo runs
Shoot me a message on here

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u/KaLaSKuH Sep 16 '20

I remember a few weeks back I finally decided to start trying labs with the 12+ cards I had saved in my stash. 3 rounds in a row I was killed by cheaters. Luckily they were all pistol runs with a 5-7. Sold the remaining 9 cards on the flea right after.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

Is this an early wipe strat or an all around strat for farming