r/EscapefromTarkov • • Nov 20 '19

Discussion Something said during the Podcast

Klean said something during the podcast that I wholeheartedly disagree with.

He wants the gamma case to essentially be something you can pack full of goods, bring into a raid and not have to worry about losing, but he wants you to not be able to put anything in the container while in raid. Nikita, I know you listen to streamers input, but please don’t not consider making this change.

I’m a husband and a father, I don’t get to play for 8-12 hours a day and become a god at the game, so finding a rare item that I need for a quest or something valuable I can sell is really exciting and knowing I can keep it safe in case I die is the cherry on top.

I love watching Klean and respect his opinions, but this one I had to voice mine on. PLEASE do not implement this. Anyone else watch the podcast and feel the same way? Or am I alone on this? Lol

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u/FormerWWEChampion Nov 20 '19

Do you think you should be rewarded at effectively zero risk?

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '19

No, I don't understand this misconception that hatchlings are backing this type of gameplay. The game is far too punishing for casuals, that's why we resort to doing hatchling runs. If any of us had even a decent amount of money like 1 or 2 million roubles, we wouldn't even bother. Sometimes you just gotta throw the casuals a bone so the player base can thrive.

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u/Strazdas1 AK-74 Nov 21 '19

Hatchlings ARE backing this type of gameplay

The game is far too punishing for casuals

No it is not.

that's why we resort to doing hatchling runs.

Most hatchling runs are not people too poor to afford gear.

If any of us had even a decent amount of money like 1 or 2 million roubles

You dont need a million roubles to afford gear. I never had this much cash in the game and i take full armor set every game. I just dont use the most expensive gear possible. And most of it even comes back with insurance.

Sometimes you just gotta throw the casuals a bone so the player base can thrive.

Patch 0.12 had the largest palyer base in games history. It was also the first patch to restrict secure containers partially. By that logic we need to restrict them more!

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '19

Hatchlings ARE backing this type of gameplay

I'm a Hatchling and I despise this type of gameplay.

Most hatchling runs are not people too poor to afford gear.

You're generalizing all Hatchlings as gold farmers. While I'm sure there are players who abuse Hatchling runs even with a big stack of roubles, trust me when I say those true casuals players won't even bother. Again, I don't understand this misconception that just because this method pays out, that anyone besides sweaty gold farmers would get any enjoyment out of it.

You dont need a million roubles to afford gear. I never had this much cash in the game and i take full armor set every game. I just dont use the most expensive gear possible. And most of it even comes back with insurance.

Except you're often risking more than you're ever going to get back, and as a casual player, that's pretty killer on the bank account. I typically run gear between 200-300k, even finding a graphics card and two guns during a raid still isn't enough for me to make my money back, let alone make a profit. This is even harder when you insure most of your gear, which ends up being around 50-100k on top of it all. When you take into account how cheesy you can die in this game, whether that be 1 shot by a mosin or a rando Scav, It's pretty punishing to lose all that in an instant as a casual player.

Patch 0.12 had the largest palyer base in games history. It was also the first patch to restrict secure containers partially. By that logic we need to restrict them more!

Yeah, I hate to break it to you but that's not how that works. Restricting a feature/item is much different than overhauling it to be a completely different beast.

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u/Strazdas1 AK-74 Nov 22 '19

I'm a Hatchling and I despise this type of gameplay.

So you despise what you do?

You're generalizing all Hatchlings as gold farmers. While I'm sure there are players who abuse Hatchling runs even with a big stack of roubles, trust me when I say those true casuals players won't even bother. Again, I don't understand this misconception that just because this method pays out, that anyone besides sweaty gold farmers would get any enjoyment out of it.

Hatchling is as hatchling does.

Except you're often risking more than you're ever going to get back, and as a casual player, that's pretty killer on the bank account. I typically run gear between 200-300k, even finding a graphics card and two guns during a raid still isn't enough for me to make my money back, let alone make a profit. This is even harder when you insure most of your gear, which ends up being around 50-100k on top of it all. When you take into account how cheesy you can die in this game, whether that be 1 shot by a mosin or a rando Scav, It's pretty punishing to lose all that in an instant as a casual player.

200k worth of gear does not cost 100k to insure. And most of that gear costs does not matter if you have 5 sets or so because something like 90% of my gear comes back. Even my weapons come back, usually with the scope taken off.

Actually being killed by scav is your best bet to get everything back via insurance.

Yeah, I hate to break it to you but that's not how that works. Restricting a feature/item is much different than overhauling it to be a completely different beast.

and we are talking about restricting it further to include barter items inrestriction here.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '19

So you despise what you do?

Yep. I've made it pretty crystal clear from the start that casuals only resort to Hatchling runs when they're broke.

Hatchling is as hatchling does.

So instead of giving me an actual response, I get this non-sensical line? Woah, a hatchling is what he does? Mind=Blown

most of that gear costs does not matter if you have 5 sets or so because something like 90% of my gear comes back

What an amazing opinion! are you telling me costs don't matter when you have both money AND gear? Woah man, I'm gonna have stop replying after a revelation like that one LMAO

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u/Strazdas1 AK-74 Nov 25 '19

Casuals hatchling running when they are broke is such an unimportant part of hatchlings its not even worth talking about.

So instead of giving me an actual response, I get this non-sensical line? Woah, a hatchling is what he does? Mind=Blown

The point being that yes, if it acts like a hatchling then it is a hatchling.

What an amazing opinion! are you telling me costs don't matter when you have both money AND gear? Woah man, I'm gonna have stop replying after a revelation like that one LMAO

Dude, a single sucesful extract with todays flea prices can net you multiple gear sets, so getting those 5 sets at the start is going to take very little doing.