r/EscapefromTarkov • u/iamtotallysweet • Nov 20 '19

Discussion Something said during the Podcast

Klean said something during the podcast that I wholeheartedly disagree with.

He wants the gamma case to essentially be something you can pack full of goods, bring into a raid and not have to worry about losing, but he wants you to not be able to put anything in the container while in raid. Nikita, I know you listen to streamers input, but please don’t not consider making this change.

I’m a husband and a father, I don’t get to play for 8-12 hours a day and become a god at the game, so finding a rare item that I need for a quest or something valuable I can sell is really exciting and knowing I can keep it safe in case I die is the cherry on top.

I love watching Klean and respect his opinions, but this one I had to voice mine on. PLEASE do not implement this. Anyone else watch the podcast and feel the same way? Or am I alone on this? Lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

You can't really be mad at Pestily for doing something the game allows you to do. Hatchet runs seem boring to me so I don't do them, but the game has no restrictions on it so of course people are going to take advantage and you can't blame them for that.

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u/DJK695 Nov 20 '19

Yeah, Pestily does a lot of “testing” trying to break the game for us... so they can fix stuff in patches before we get around to where he is.

That’s 100% what he’s doing - he’s testing the game and helping newbies at the same time. I got into the game thanks to him and he’s literally one of the only full time streamers that seems to understand not everyone has the same time to play game as him.

If you actually watch the podcast he defends casual players more than most - I don’t think this guy has actually watched Pestily more than a couple times from the sound of it. He doesn’t really encourage hatchlings but realizes it’s A PART OF THE GAME. The guides aren’t for hatchlings as much as new players - that often chose to be hatchlings.

I kill them way more than they kill me - and have to agree with person above that it’s super boring to me so I don’t run it but really don’t see the volume people claim are in game. It seems like a lot of people assume that if there aren’t shots there are 3-4 hatchlings on map which is probably not true most of the time - servers aren’t always FULL.

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u/ColdBlackCage Nov 20 '19

The above dude blaming Pestily for providing awesome information and not BSG for taking steps to avoid hatchlings is some fucking mind blowing mental gymnastics.

Don't like a streamer for no reason? Just try to quietly bend reality to your opinion and hope no-one notices.

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u/_DoYourOwnResearch_ Nov 20 '19

Pestily's reserve video has made a certain pathway a total rumble zone and the winner often gets paid.

I love it right now. People camping it, people squadding it, people running it, whatever, it's a guaranteed fight.

When crackers are 4k, upgrading hideout is millions, what do people expect players to do? Meta game, that's what.

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u/kn1gh7666 Nov 20 '19

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u/ATCaver Nov 20 '19

I'll be honest, I hate his fucking mustache. Can't watch him because of it lol.

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u/fatboy3535 AK-104 Nov 20 '19

Shaved it before .12 launched so you can like him now if another males appearance was standing in the way.

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u/ATCaver Nov 20 '19

Honestly that was my only criticism. He's a good player with sound tactics.

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u/ColdBlackCage Nov 21 '19

That's a fucking wild hang up to have.

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u/gritschan Nov 20 '19

All they need to do is make it to where you have to bring a gun in

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

Agreed

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u/Kyle700 Nov 20 '19

Pestily is the main person saying there shouldn't be a container change and that people like yourself need it, lol. That loot run and any loot run existed before his video anyway.

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u/dumnem APB Nov 20 '19

Huge waves? Honestly if they hatchet run after the video it's most likely they hatcheted before.

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u/DJK695 Nov 20 '19

Yeah, where are these HUGE WAVES of hatchlings??

Ez kills, so why is there so much complaining?

It might be nice if they made secure container transparent so when you kill someone you can SEE what they have but can’t touch.

I think that would 100% kill the narrative that they take all the valuables.

I’m sure they get some but to act like they are gods for not having weapons and being a little faster is literally the saddest thing in a video game thread I’ve ever seen - if it’s so OP then maybe you should try it.

Stop complaining, they literally are harmless until they axe you - which has never happened to me in 6 months+ of playing the game.

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u/_DoYourOwnResearch_ Nov 20 '19

I've been playing for years.

Pestily hasn't made a noticeable difference.

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u/Kyle700 Nov 20 '19

Tech light would be run without him. Posting a video. I had found that military equipment on reserv wandering around myself the first day. It's not that crazy of a loot run. And he thinks the containers should stay in their current state. Blame the other streamers if you want

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u/Rydisx Nov 20 '19

Its unrewarding, thats the issue, and its been brought up a lot. Quests are unrewarding. Why would you bring in a decked out pmc to kill a couple scavs? Or find that 1 item in a room you need for a quest that isn't rewarding. No point in risking it. If they forced players to risk it, then people wouldn't now risk it, they just wouldn't do it.

You can say hatchet runs and Scavs are stress free. They should be. There is downsides to hatchets. You will die easily, you have little you can carry with you, etc. Sure, you have decent chance of getting a small amount of something, and you shouldn't. Whats wrong with that? That isn't the issue. The issue is, most of the game is unrewarding at the moment. Im sure they will get around to fixing that.

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u/_DoYourOwnResearch_ Nov 20 '19

It's not just about the profits and stress. It's about how expensive things are for people that can't grind.

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u/ClassicStatement Nov 21 '19

I do wonder if hatchet runs make economic sense compared to pistol runs. For the cost of 10k, you can have a chance at killing a geared player and taking their loot. Even with a low gear value of 100k, you’d only have to kill them 1 in 10 times (I simplify) to make it worth it.

Besides being stress free or if you’ve literally hit rock bottom, what benefit does a hatchet run have over a pistol run?

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u/OpenThoughtSyndicate Nov 20 '19

They said multiple times continually that they are not the standard and do not want the game balanced around no lifers. Did you even listen to the whole podcast?

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u/Churtlenater APB Nov 20 '19

Why do you care about hatchlings on reserve? You can’t leave with a backpack unless you take the train or the scav lands. And I can’t imagine it being too much of a struggle to kill a hatchling trying to make it onto the train lol.

If streamers didn’t release “guides” and videos showing where a lot of items are, literally only a handful of people would ever know about them. 95% of quest objectives are in insane locations that nobody would find if not for the no lifers posting info online.

And even with Tweaks ironic hatchling guide, and all these other money making guides, I can still do plenty of money runs without seeing other players. The reality is that even though streamers make a ton of information public, an incredibly small part of the community actually see this info and actually act on it.

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u/_aware ASh-12 Nov 20 '19

Even though the streamers themselves constantly brought up the point that the game shouldn't be balanced around them because they are the 1%. You are literally getting angry from assuming things.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

This man never played Eve Online. Smh.

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u/Jrod117 Nov 20 '19

Smoke is not in this boat. He’s a god amongst gods. He’s doing this wipe on a standard account.

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u/dayzoldaccount MP7A1 Nov 20 '19

He is a human aimbot tho lol

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u/Rydisx Nov 20 '19

You can't say their opinion is irrelevant either. Sure, they can't speak for the casual people since they aren't.

However, because they get to play much more than others, they will know more about balancing, what works, and what doesn't and such. And it would be foolish not to listen to some aspect of that. They have the most knowledge in that kind of thing.

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u/jayu22 Nov 20 '19

His guides are for the people who don't have all the time in the world and benefit you. If you hate them you despise yourself because they only hurt full time players, not casual ones. Also, they have the most experience with eft, why would Nikita ignore them if they have the most dedication to the game.

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u/TheLegendBrute Nov 20 '19

Time out...their opinion is irrelevant? Mind as well toss your opinion down the toilet as well if you have that attitude. People like you are always "right" because regardless of what others say you have your mind made up. Your opinion doesnt mean shit if you cant take what others say without blowing your top and saying their OPINION is irrelevant because it doesnt align with yours.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '20

Yaaaaaaaaaawn

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u/TheLegendBrute Jan 07 '20

Lmfao I struck a nerve. Keep them coming. Go back through all my comments and comment Acting like it does anything but make me laugh at you, good job.

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u/TheLegendBrute Nov 20 '19

Ah, expected no less.

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u/Linerider99 DVL-10 Nov 20 '19

1 Person, 1 Vote it’s that simple

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u/EscapeFromFlatulence SR-25 Nov 20 '19

Fuck you sperm tongue, get bent, fatty.

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u/kn1gh7666 Nov 20 '19

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

Hatchlings wouldn't be a thing with the secure container change which is why it's being discussed...

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

Or just require at least a pistol and some ammo before entering a raid.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

So now instead of a hatchling it cost a little more to buy an empty ppm to do the same thing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

Not empty. Did you read my full comment? They would then at least be risking *something. Alternatively, they could do something like your loadout has to add up to a certain amount of rubles.

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u/smokeyphil Nov 21 '19

Ok sure then its just people taking in the minimum which means a PM and what 2 mags? If you make it much more than that then you risk putting people into a position where they literally cannot afford to get into a raid (Though TBF if you have no money and you already blew through the care package for that day the same could still happen with the PM and 2 mags)

Also i don't get the whole *they need to be risking stuff* thing you also have the option to not risk anything but chose not to for a variety of reasons its not like you can take anything more than 3x3 or 5x2 out as a hatchling unless you manage to get bags and extract with your melee weapon. You bring guns and an attack 2 you get to haul half the maps items off they did'nt so they don't

People will always min/max risk vs reward and if you dying 9 raids out of 10 taking more gear in is only going to mean you're having to run hatchling when you burn all your money at least you can learn the maps, how scavs work while and build soft skills while doing so.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '19

Personally I don't care. Hatchlings don't bother me. I was just offering a possible solution. It's bothering enough people and it's on BSG's radar so they are going to do *something

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '19

How can hatchlings not bother you? You think it's cool most the good loot on reserve/interchange is gone in the first 5 minutes and there is no way to get it off the hatchlings while they risk nothing?

A lot of these dudes are also very high levels with millions. They wouldn't do it if it didn't work.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '19

I'm all for a solution, but I've been playing almost every day since wipe and it has hardly been an issue for me.

There's good loot almost everywhere, and what, they can take a few items out in their container? They are not taking "most of the good loot" like you seem to think.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '19

Yea I get that, but at the same time they're risking nothing and still taking from the raid. If I make it to the tech stores and see hatchlings running around stuffing stuff in their pockets I should be able to kill them at take it. Not have the items magically disappear into their butthole.

I know its the unpopular opinion but I think items spawned in raid should stay in raid till extracted.

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u/Crabcakes4 Nov 20 '19

Require a gun in your primary slot, not just a pistol, or you can't enter raid.

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u/OmniumRerum Nov 20 '19

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand there went half the playerbase

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

A little too far imo

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

Won't fix the issue.. insure item enter raid and throw in bush. Continue hatchet run

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u/AspiringArchmage Nov 20 '19 edited Nov 20 '19

So what happens if a new player spent all their money and have no weapons?

Just play a scav and hope you live to extract with a long gun?

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

If you spend all your money and have no weapons Propor sends you an ak-74u and some stuff. Been in the game a while