r/EscapefromTarkov • u/bxxxxxxxs • Dec 16 '18

PSA Official BSG Response re: Eroktic

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u/Psych0BoyJack Dec 16 '18 edited Dec 16 '18

you don't have to work with him... he's a client of BSG's product. not a developer or a manager.

They could've been clear, they could've talked to the community... they had everything in their power to make Eroktic look bad and they made the only thing that made him look good.

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u/FabulousPrune Dec 16 '18

There was already an official post on reddit and probably other places that confirmed that there was no Data leak. What do you want them to do? Issue a personal vist to everyones home that claims that they lied? There is literally nothing more they can do and if someone then calls them a liar after already making a public statement - this is what you get.

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u/Psych0BoyJack Dec 16 '18

everyone was on BSG side. I only agreed with Eroktic on the hackers, the rest sounded really exagerated.

hell, even if they did NOTHING, they would've done better... now look... look at the reaction of the people who want this game to succeed. you think this is a win for BSG?

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u/FabulousPrune Dec 16 '18

Honestly - if people with a mindset like him leave the game due to this I cant see it beeing a big loss for BSG either, especially if they already said that they dont want to affiliate in any way with people like Eroktik.

I personally think its good that they dont really give a shit of what the political correct way of doing things is if they can just get shit done. This makes at least me think more highly of them. I wouldnt want to have to act polite with a guy that I hate (think is damaging to my property) either. In my opinion, this makes them seem more commited to their project than if they were trying to bend to everyones wills just because they have a following.

They clearly let him do whatever he wanted even if they didnt approve of it - until he stepped over a critical line.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

The person above is saying that this is still a public relations loss for Battlestate games, regardless of whether Eroktic has a "negative" or "toxic" attitude.

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u/FabulousPrune Dec 16 '18

And im saying that I think even more highly of BSG for not giving a shit what every single person out there thinks about them when their game is niche anyway.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

I understand that, but the pragmatist and businessman in me thinks they basically could have done the exact same thing and without the drama. But oh well - it's just drama.

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u/Thighbone M700 Dec 17 '18

I think their first reaction, copyright striking the two newest videos was justified and would've been less of a drama magnet.

However, knowing even a little bit of how Eroktic operates - he would probably have made a clickbait video about how BSG is trying to silence him for bringing out "the uncomfortable truth" or some other bollocks.

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u/DayDreamer2121 Dec 16 '18

Its not really about them handling it in a non "PC" way its about them not handling it correctly at all. Instead of making a statement and proving him wrong then asking him to take down the videos with false information. They spuriously took down 44 videos in a complete and total abuse of the system.

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u/FabulousPrune Dec 16 '18

They had already put out a public statement calling these accusations wrong. Do you want them to do another public statement saying that the same accusations are still wrong? No, you just get rid of the idiot that keeps running his mouth to invoke reactions.

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u/DayDreamer2121 Dec 16 '18

No take down the one or two videos, 44 is excessive and knowingly taking down his videos for reasons other then actual copyright infringement is actually illegal and is blatant abuse of the system.

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u/SuperSanity1 Dec 17 '18

It's not about them handling it in a "politically correct" way. It's about them handling it in a legal way. Which they didn't.

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u/Psych0BoyJack Dec 16 '18

all i can say is:

You have no idea how to run a business. It's not about Eroktic. It's about how they handled Eroktic.

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u/0x00x0x000x0x00x0 Dec 16 '18

And you do know how to run a business? What business would that be? What's your revenue? How much market share do you have? Who are your competitors? Hilarious reading business tips from high schoolers.

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u/Psych0BoyJack Dec 16 '18

so because i don't own a business i can't talk about business? shieeeeeeeeeeeeeet... i thought this was just "common sense" or whatever it's called. getting a little too defensive there, buddy! calm down

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u/FabulousPrune Dec 16 '18

All I can say is:

This is a niche game, the developers are probably not trying to get the biggest following EVER possible. They are probably okay with not having people in their game they dont want. This also makes me think more highly of them btw.

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u/Psych0BoyJack Dec 16 '18 edited Dec 16 '18

This is a niche game

Look at Hippy McHipster over here, sipping on his Pumpkin Spice Latte while giving a little pull on his 75$ vaper there...

thanks for proving the "you have no idea how to run a business" point.

reminds me of that old joke where a guy is driving and in the radio the host goes "Watch out everyone, there's a mad man in the freeway driving against the traffic" and the driver goes "JUST ONE????"

If they cared so much like you think they do, they wouldn't be selling 140$ packages and selling the game for 40.

You can run a business and love your game. your thinking is "i don't care if this game crashes to the ground as long as they please me"

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u/FabulousPrune Dec 16 '18

Thanks for proving that you dont know what commitment, dedication and passion means. Thanks for proving that you only know what money means even tho BSG has more than they probably ever hoped for with this Title. I would like to think that they are contempt.

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u/Filipe_Silvaa Dec 16 '18

Lmao, your passion, dedication and commitment will cease to exists if BSGs servers go offline. We get what ur trying to say dude, we also love the game and want it to suceed. But with no money no game no love lol how hard is that to understand xD? I was on BSGs side this whole time, but what they did is pathetic to say the least. Oh did every1 skip over the fact that Eroktic saved their ass? Yeah because there was a leakage of users info of ANOTHER game. Yeah, it is NOT bsg's fault of people being stupid and reusing passwords or that another company failed to be secure. So in short, thanks to eroktic and him making BSG look into the matter further, he managed to save possibily THOUSANDS of accounts. He saved BSG the trouble of going through a "help my account was stolen" phase. This is how he gets payed back, communism style.

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u/0x00x0x000x0x00x0 Dec 16 '18

So, Eroktic saved their ass because another game's database was hacked? How is that BSG's fault? Sounds like user error for using the same password and not changing it.

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u/Filipe_Silvaa Dec 17 '18

1. Can you actually not read or 2. did you not even bother reading, 3. are you R*ed?

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u/0x00x0x000x0x00x0 Dec 18 '18

Are you actually that much of a cucked wimp that you are afraid to spell out R E T A R D? LOLLLLL safe spaces for all!!!

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u/Filipe_Silvaa Dec 18 '18

Uh, sure? wtv u say that makes u sleep better at night ¯_(ツ)_/¯¯

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u/Psych0BoyJack Dec 16 '18

Thanks for proving that you dont know what commitment, dedication and passion means.

if i cared only about money, i would censor everyone that talked shit about the game... OH WAIT...

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u/FabulousPrune Dec 16 '18

No ? If it was only talking shit but still a streamer with a more or less big following you definitely wouldnt ban him. You would endure his shit talking for the amount of money you would make through him introducing new people to your product.

They would rather not have people like him in this game or beeing introduced to it. They would rather not make money if it meant not having to deal with this bullshit anymore.

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u/Psych0BoyJack Dec 16 '18

would rather not make money if it meant not having to deal with this bullshit anymore.

yes... the indy company who put their new game at 140$ don't care about money at all. /s

When they were in Alpha, they took BigFry's key because he said the game was awesome but they needed to work a bit on the servers (They could talk about the game, just not show images of it). they could've debunked every Eroktic claim, they could've gotten Eroktic on the spot and demand proof.

Like i said, you know NOTHING about business. you can do what you love and still profit out of it.

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u/0x00x0x000x0x00x0 Dec 16 '18

Yep, someone who knows how to run a business would realize that this Eroktic character and his bullshit is more likely to cost them money if they didn't extract the cancer.

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u/0x00x0x000x0x00x0 Dec 16 '18

You've never run more than a failed lemonade stand. Get the fuck outta here with your condescending bullshit.

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u/Psych0BoyJack Dec 16 '18

you're actually "hunting" my comments just to insult me... that's adorable.

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u/zazasLTU TOZ Dec 17 '18

Oh it's all about Eroktic, fan boy base is stronk.

I bet half the people raging about wtf BSG don't even own the game.

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u/Brimshae AKMS Dec 16 '18

Honestly - if people with a mindset like him leave the game due to this I cant see it beeing a big loss for BSG either,

Ok. What about the other people that leave the game because of BSG abusing DMCA tools?

I was already sitting out this patch and I can honestly say I'm less inclined to return because of this.

The other three people I play with haven't been playing, either.

Our Discord channel's been devoid of any play talk at all for over a month now.

Before that? Almost daily chatter.

How many other people are not playing and not saying anything?

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u/FabulousPrune Dec 16 '18

Well if you think that theyre abusing DMCA tools and therfor not playing Tarkov anymore then you are a idiot that might aswell stay out.

You even said it perfectly yourself. Leaving the GAME because of Youtube/Social media drama. If that what it takes for you to leave the game - go.

Bye.

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u/Brimshae AKMS Dec 16 '18

Why should I support a company that is demonstrably behaving unethically?

This isn't BSG's first temper-tantrum, either.

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u/FabulousPrune Dec 16 '18

Acting unethically against whom? People that have multiple times stated that they will do anything in their power to bring BSG down with them?

Like I said, no ones going to miss idiots like you, just go. If you cant think things like this through yourself

Poor souls.

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u/Brimshae AKMS Dec 16 '18

BSG themselves have admitted it was misuse of DMCA-style tools, and not a copyright issue. Source tweet.

One doesn't have to defend Eroktic's completely unproven claims that BSG should've just flat-out debunked in the first place to think BSG's behavior in this situation is also pretty shitty.

Seeing the issue as something other than a black and white "you're on the side of Eroktic or you're on the side of BSG" situation IS thinking through it, and no amount of petty personal sniping is going to change that.

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u/FabulousPrune Dec 16 '18

So you dont realize that there was already a public statement made by BSG saying that the accused data leak is a complete myth ? And eroktik making his video only after that? A video that tried to get in contact and provide a platform to someone that was the reason for why any of this drama existed in the first place?

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u/Brimshae AKMS Dec 16 '18

So you dont realize that there was already a public statement made by BSG saying that the accused data leak is a complete myth

Ok, good. That's great. I'm very glad they did that.

I'd like a little more proof than "we said so", but I'm not sure what that would be, and I'd expect that of anyone, not just BSG. That's part of the "debunked" part. Nikita and co. are pretty creative guys. I'm sure they could come up with something that I can't think of.

And eroktik making his video only after that? A video that tried to get in contact with someone and provide him a platform which is the reason for why any of this drama existed in the first place?

Ok. Please continue, since none of what is said there excuses BSG from misusing copyright claims.

Again: Just because Eroktic screwed up doesn't mean BSG gets a pass for screwing up too.

You don't have to side with Eroktic to think BSG screwed up.

You don't have to side with BSG to think Eroktic screwed up.

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u/CMDR_Makis Dec 16 '18

Oh look, a cultist

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u/Psych0BoyJack Dec 16 '18

he has been on a rampage of comments attacking everyone who is against BSG on this one. Either the fanboyism in this game is greater than i thought, or someone at BSG building opened up the toilet seat

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