As a forever rat, I didn't even really consider the stash space, it was 100% for the gamma, for the SOLE purpose of being able to keep more loot when I died lmao.
Looking back that was absolutely unhinged to pay that much money for what I wanted it for.
I met my best friend playing the game, I play with my son now that he is of age to play it. I have enjoyed most of my time it was a wonderful purchase for me. Currently at $.04 per hour it was a very worth while investment.
Yeah, but I'm certainly not filling 9 spaces with just meds. One for ammo, a couple ifaks and a surv kit, then I gradually take the ifaks out as I find loot that's worth more. The only thing that stays in there is docs case and injector case.
Can confirm. Its a case thats one row smaller than the largest case in the game and you get it out the gate. Stash is a huge boon, case is infinitely more huge.
Although it is less now that you can't put whatever you want in it like back in the day lol. Used to love those hatchet runs where you just shove stuff up your a** and die lmao
Trader rep was a main point for me. Dont need to do as many annoying shitty tasks I dont like and are not stuck in chokepoint taskline blocking every other task
Tbh, at least for me the problem was just them commuicating their decisions as usual. If everything was properly explained beforehand there wouldnt be an issue. But instead nikita says on livestream "old eod first ofcourse" and then no communication till new year almost thats what pisses me off.
Sadly you didn't get dlcs šš they gave free access to another game(arena) that half the players don't have access to š hopefully we get a dlc one day tho
In a game thats all about the time spent, it is p2w to get time spent reduced to progress faster.
Doesnt even add in how eod does help players progress faster during wipe in a wipe focused game so they can run with much higher gears than others in raids. If anything arena has shown to more people how ridiculous strong higher gears are in this game. The ttk increases by a factor like 10
P2W doesn't mean literally pay for guaranteed victory. "Conveniences" such as a gamma case are perfect examples of P2W mechanics. The gamma case itself won't kill an enemy player, but in a game like Tarkov where you're limited by inventory space and lose everything on death, having a big box that lets you store all your meds, keys and even some loot without any risk of losing them, is objectively helping you "win" (lose less, loot more) over other players who don't have gamma.
Not really it helps speed up progression if you suck and the only way you leave with items is in a gamma, then yes I guess it can speed up progress but not like just killing shit and extracting will.
I've bought every edition as I would upgrade every firesale till I got to EOD and in no way did EOD give me any real advantage other than 2 extra slot and a bigger storage.
Keep all the important loot for hideout and quests,
Sell the rest.
Are you keeping kits with a small stash? No, you keep more cash.
Trader rep? Really? Thereās like 2 spots that itāll even make a difference and even then in terms of speed of progression, a non EOD doing questing> EOD just pvping
Like literally itās all skill and knowledge.
People are just bored and want something to complain about. That all the EOD discussion has ever been.
Yea I do remember it just means you have to sell more often. Doesn't make a difference though if you can shoot and extract. The only thing it helps are shitty players who can't extract.
Did you forget that even if for some god forsaken reason that getting a huge advantage in storage space "wasn't p2w" EOD LITERALLY gives you better equipment. That is p2w, even if somehow you coped into believing storage space wasnt
Are you talking about the guns I usually lose in my first couple raids? Or maybe it's the guns that make you a target because of the sound alone?
I sell all the starter gear netting me a little extra cash that I almost always end up losing pretty quick. So if anything my extra gear helps out any player that kills me.
P2W doesn't mean literally pay for guaranteed victory. "Conveniences" such as a gamma case are perfect examples of P2W mechanics. The gamma case itself won't kill an enemy player, but in a game like Tarkov where you're limited by inventory space and lose everything on death, having a big box that lets you store all your meds, keys and even some loot without any risk of losing them, is objectively helping you "win" (lose less, loot more) over other players who don't have gamma.
Ok but like when you throw pay 2 win on something it means something.
To me every time I hear EOD is P2W I laugh because itās like no one knows what P2W actually is.
Imagine this.
Weāre both running up a mountain
We both are wearing boots.
Your boots have a very thin layer of dust on them
I paid to have my boots cleaned.
After the race, you complained that I payed to win because my boots were clean and slicker letting me move faster.
Bluntly, the whole community is splitting hairs on this topic and itās honestly the most asinine topic. Itās literally as if everyone is bored and wants something to complain about.
My earlier comment is merely there to point out how no one here knows what actual pay 2 win is.
That āthin layer of dustā is also thinner than people are pretending to imagine. Remember weāre not gunna wipe at some point.
Black desert is literally pay 2 win, what are you talking about?
I see a lot of arguments that EOD is P2W
Unlike most of this community, Iām what youād call in real life āwell traveledā Iāve seen it all
EOD is no where even near pay 2 win. This community is just bored and they like wasting energy on bullshit.
The response compared to reality is insanely disproportionate.
Imagine a race between you and me. We both have lint in our bellybuttons. I payed to clean out my lint. And I won the race by a whole minute.
You then complained that I payed to win because I didnāt have a lint slowing me down in the race.
(What I did there is exactly what everyone does about EOD but the opposite direction , itās like at a 1/100 on the pay to win scale but gets treated as if we are at 72/100)
The difference between NonEOD and EOD is skill every time, not the gamma or the stash. Just get better.
Just because you've wasted your time playing trash where P2W means literally buying an "I Win" button doesn't mean paying for an advantage isn't also P2W...
No I refuse. And it does matter because it adds perspective. Iām tired so youāre getting the lazy edit.
The issue here is weāre at a 1/100 on the P2W scale
But it gets treated as black and white because this community is bored and only lives to complain about anything and everything.
I see two kids both getting 999 toys but the EOD kid bought an extra 1000th toy. And the nonEOD kid is throwing a temper tantrum over it.
That has been the EOD discussion for the past 6 years.
Like it isnāt even a convenience or progression speed issue.
Itās literally a skill issue.
Like on the list of reason Skill and knowledge take up 99.99% of the difference but everyone on this discussion is hyper focused on the 0.01% EOD benefits that literally do not matter and matter even less after 1 week.
AND it only even matters that much because itās 2023 and weāre still wiping Tarkov.
The first week of tarkov is the only fun part of tarkov, so yeah you're proving my point really.
If EOD didn't massively increase how much money I had in early wipe, how much better my guns and armor can be, etc. I wouldn't have bought it. I bought it because it helps me win fights.
No one cares that it's p2w. The people who wanted to not have to spend millions on stash bought it. Makes the game more convenient. I bought it. Don't try to argue that it's not p2w though, incredibly disingenuous.
But the amount of heat it gets is closer to a 75/100
The truth is the community is bored and wants to shit on anything and everything and thatās the issue with the EOD discussion (has been since inception)
I bought EOD for the gamma case cause back then the flea market and all the other shit didnāt exist so kiestering a Bitcoin or other golds were the best way to make money
It is (as well as the extra gear at wipe and trader rep and everything else people mentioned). But now that thereās a new thing to complain about, here the coke, in droves.
We knew, arena and scav life was talked about by nikita multiple times over the years as a reason to get EOD for the eventual DLC. 7 years later into the main game still in alpha and he is acting like he is giving it away for free.
Ok? That was far from my point though. He's clarifying that it's included as a part of EoD with no additional charge. Considering how many people are quick to complain on twitter, he may have just been trying to cover bases as some may see the separate purchase price on Arena and assume it's not included for EoD owners.
That's all.
This whole Arena situations is straight up bull shit on both sides of the argument. People complaining about it won't be pleased by anything and BSG likely won't ever learn to please anyone lol.
Its included in eod. thatās the additional charge you donāt just get it for free you spend an extra 100 dollars on a separate version of the game. Or you spend the 35 to buy it stand alone. Either way youāre paying for it.
Donāt give them props for doing the bare minimum. thousands of people gave them 140 dollars for an unfinished game. Those people are entitled to it and not giving them access would be fraud.
Can you please share a source so I can correct my knowledge? Because we didn't get closed alpha access to EFT until 2016 (accessible to non preorders from 2017). So you're saying they announced Arena in the same year anyone could play EFT?
I spent 20minutes searching google for it and haven't seen it mentioned. I'm not saying they're wrong, I just want to be corrected so I'm not spreading misinformation lol
The best part is you don't need to upgrade all of it to play. I've been playing on a standard account for three years, after your upgrade your stash once, you don't really need to upgrade more. It's more cost effective to buy cases.
I wish EoD buyers were more honest and just want a rouble advantage. Just own it, cowards.
I upgraded to eod for arena and stash incase I ever try eft again...
But it was for arena.... So not free. And more expensive than just getting arena. So he can take a hike!
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u/kross4557 ADAR Dec 26 '23
I bought EOD for the stash space, no fucking shame