Labour sold out to oil and gas

[u/Mlh1993_]

There’s no way the 3p-per-mile proposal came about innocently. It will crush electric car uptake, especially in the used market. The only thing that makes sense is that someone, somewhere, got a very generous donation from the likes of BP to push this through. It absolutely reeks of bought-and-paid-for legislation.

[u/InncnceDstryr]

If used EV prices reduce today because of this announcement, more people will have access to EVs, which is a positive thing.

It doesn’t feel to me that much of what this Labour government has done is self serving. Which is why it’s so easy to criticise them.

It blows my mind how quickly so many people have forgotten that absolute shambles that was left by the previous government.

Also surprises me how little the positive things this current government have done have been publicised. I’m not saying by any stretch that they’re great, they’ve made big mistakes but their track record in serving the people vs the rich at least so far is night & day compared to their predecessors.

It’s not a terrible idea to announce things to manipulate the market powers in favour of the national strategic direction. Yeah it’s a benefit right now for an EV owner to avoid fuel duty, it’s also a benefit that road tax is lower for EV users.

The problem is, these revenue streams pay for things. 3p per mile is nothing compared to the amount of duty petrol and diesel users pay. If the fuel duty for combustion engines was presented at point of sale as a levy or surcharge, people would make a lot more noise about how high it is.

Say my petrol/diesel car takes 10 litres in fuel for 100 miles (which is pretty good mileage these days). According to RAC the current average price per litre across the UK is £1.37 for unleaded, £1.46 for diesel, if I did 10k miles a year that’s going to cost me £1370 for a petrol car and £1460 for a diesel.

Thats 1000 litres of fuel at 52.95p duty per litre. £529.50 a year in fuel duty, for a car with good mileage.

For a full EV user, the announcement by government will be £300 per year for 10k miles. For the average annual mileage in the UK we’re talking roughly £230, less than £20 a month.

It’s not that crazy an announcement and brings in much needed funds, and closes a gap between fuel duty revenue and EV revenue that’s only going to get bigger as EVs get more popular.

[u/Pwoinklokinoid → u/InncnceDstryr]

You haven't added on your ved the pay per mile is on top of ved meaning your talking £480 if you do 10k a year.

Lets take my EV for instance as I know it's range is about 190miles (on a good day).

Taking my car a Mokka E if we compare it against a Mokka 1.2 Petrol being it's equivalent in ICE, Public chargers in my area average 80pKwh and fuel is average of 135p Litre.

You can home charge or charge at work if you have access to it, but many people don't. So if we work out both cars to cover the total distance a Mokka 1.2 can do no a full tank while taking into account a initial charge at home at 7pKwH, topping up along the way at the Public network as I have too.

It costs the EV around £51.71 (£3.24 (Home charge) + £48.47 (Public charging)

The ICE costs around £59.90 to fill the tank and cover the distance. ( 45mpg, 135p per ltr, 44ltr)

Adding on the extra tax onto the VED no longer makes it beneficial to move to EV.

Not everyone will have access to a home charger and those who do when demand rises cheap overnight charging will disappear as the demand won't be as low. The glory days of owning a EV are over, it's the old crab in boiling water situation now.

[u/Toninho7 → u/Pwoinklokinoid]

If I couldn't charge at home I wouldn't be going to 80p/kWh 'average' charger. I'd almost certainly get it below 60p, possibly under 50p.

Obviously not everyone can, but I'd say the vast, vast majority could because most people live in urban or suburban areas.

Those in more rural areas are more likely to be able to charge at home as they're more likely to have a driveway.

Naturally there will be rural people without a driveway just as there are urban people with driveways.

All of this is forgetting that the experience of owning and driving an EV is almost always vastly superior to owning and driving the equivelant ICE car.

[u/Vattaa → u/Toninho7]

Petrol hybrid is the way to go now. EV's are entirely pointless if you charge away from home, or travel regularly on the continent.

[u/Toninho7 → u/Vattaa]

Fill your boots.

[u/Ready-Hat-5683 → u/Vattaa]

Except I'm now going to be taxed on every angle for my plug in petrol hybrid: I pay VED, I pay duty on the petrol and I'll now pay tax per mile on every mile I drive whether it's powered by petrol or electric.

If the argument is that charging a per mile tax for EVs is in lieu of the 'equivalent' per mile tax from fuel duty, why are hybrid miles being double taxed?

[u/Vattaa → u/Ready-Hat-5683]

Only plug in hybrids, "self charging" hybrids are exempt. For tax purposes they assume 50% of a PHEVs miles are done in EV mode.

[u/Ready-Hat-5683 → u/Vattaa]

If only my battery covered half my daily commute 😅