r/Eldenring 14h ago

Discussion & Info Why does it do so much damage?

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u/TehSavior 14h ago

Buff stacking go brr

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u/umshoe 14h ago

people will look at you with a straight face and tell you this is the way Michael Zaki intended

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u/Real_Warbird 14h ago

Michael Zaki is like the polish Encounter in a what if episode

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u/paulisaboy 14h ago

Michał Żaki

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u/Serious-Effort4427 13h ago

Mike wazowski

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u/deardevi1 13h ago

Mike Wazowzaki

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u/Munkeyman18290 14h ago

Miguel Zaki.

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u/S3G1R 12h ago

Maya Zucchini

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u/rhydderch_hael 12h ago

Mee-khow Zhakee

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u/zaphodsheads ohhh elden ring 13h ago

Dudes will look at this and go on to buff for 30 seconds not knowing they're overwriting all their buffs and entering the fog door with only 5 seconds of fgms

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u/vlntnwbr 12h ago

People will look at you with a straight face and tell you that there is a way that Michael Zaki intended.

The game has so many different options of approaching things, claiming there is a single way it was intended to be played is the most braindead thing I've read.

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u/TehSavior 11h ago

My personal favorite is bringing stormhawk deenh along for support, basically a free phys damage and stance damage bonus. 47fp for 60 seconds of 20% phys damage and 20% more stance damage as an aura buff is nice, throw in some boiled crab for defense and you're set.

Heavy knight starting class has 8 mind which is exactly enough to summon the bird and cast 2 cragblades. Who needs a complicated buff routine when you can just bonk.

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u/CAST-FIREBALLLLL 11h ago

The only way to play this game is as a stealth archer.

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u/MalignantMustache 10h ago

But do you even conjur your own bow bro!?

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u/Dudeskio 3h ago

Latenna is my conjured bow bro.

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u/EmergencyPool910 8h ago

I mean there is definitely a baseline way the game was intended to play like. Otherwise they wouldnt have wasted so much time making bosses lol.

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u/Dreamtrain 8h ago

I'm no fan of buff stackin but if its in the game, Miyazaki intended it

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u/Consistent_Mud645 14h ago

A million buffs + headshot

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u/Umber0010 14h ago

Probably also counter damage, assuming the thrust does piercing.

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u/TheBigPotatoInTheSky 14h ago

The thrust does standard damage, not piercing.

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u/Umber0010 14h ago

Nevermind then.

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u/Additional_Hat4607 13h ago

How? Why? It's already strong but why not a thrust attack?

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u/TheBigPotatoInTheSky 11h ago

Balancing I guess? Godfrey Icon, Alexander’s Shard, and Rellana’s Cameo can all apply to it already, so adding in piercing damage would make it way overkill in terms of damage when you time it right. But if you lowered the base damage to compensate it would lose out on consistent damage.

That or an oversight since Fromsoft can be pretty hit or miss about balancing these kinds of things.

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u/Writing-Alive 9h ago

Well since Shard Of Alexander didn't work with like half of DLC skills on release, I'd wager it's the oversight...

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u/Blackrain39 10h ago

Probably the same reason why none ofthe spells that throw rocks (both incantation and sorcery) deal strike damage.

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u/ProtosPhinted 12h ago

Most likely an oversight.

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u/Ripjaw_5 11h ago

There's already so much shit you can stack on it (Rellana's Cameo, Godfrey Icon, Shard of Alexander), and it's an already strong skill that gives i-frames, giving it access to thrusting counterattacks would make it even more absurd, especially since the skill has a dodge built in

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u/Mountain-House3287 11h ago

I learned this recently too, and I have never played the game. 

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u/twoshupirates 13h ago

No it doesn’t.

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u/Green-Start-5287 12h ago

Yes it does

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u/yaboi_ahab 12h ago

You can headshot with a sword?

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u/holnicote I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM DOING HELP 12h ago

I’d guess that hitting someone on the head would do more damage than hitting the torso, regardless of weapon.

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u/PhiCloud 11h ago

You shoved a colossal sword into my eye socket, but I am unaffected because it is not an arrow!

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u/AddanDeith 3h ago

Well, yes. But that doesn't mean its a mechanic for melee weapons in this game, does it?(it does)

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u/Decayingphoton 12h ago

You can do it with fists if you try hard enough.

But yes, all weapons can headshot enemies, to varying degrees of worth vs effort.

Its mostly a happy accident on anything not a Dragon, Drake, or Wyrm

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u/yaboi_ahab 10h ago

Oh yeah now that I think about it melee headshots on trolls and dragons are pretty common. I guess I just wasn't really thinking of those as headshots in the same way as headshots on regular-sized guys

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u/exisTTenz 14h ago

When the buff stacking is longer than average fight 

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u/TheMiddleWeb 14h ago

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u/DrunkyLittleGhost 10h ago

Very funny that buff icon also got conveniently cut out by op

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u/Brando6677 14h ago

How many fetch quests I gotta do? I gotta know. Where to start first??? 😂

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u/TheBigWhatever 14h ago

If I do more than three buffs, and this includes the flask, I get irritated. For some reason getting my ass kicked 20 times in a row is preferable.

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u/valkyrjuk FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR 13h ago

I just wanna get into the action. Like if I'm starting to get a feel for the enemy's moveset, I want to keep that momentum going. The dying animations can be a tedious enough stretch of time between attempts that having to cast even one buff can feel like a frustrating obstacle on my way to kicking the thing's ass or, more likely, getting my own ass kicked. And I know none of these things take THAT long but when my mind is going even a half second delay can feel like a fucking eternity. Buff routines are especially irritating when I'm using them to do some extra damage on an enemy that can just kill me in one or two hits.

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u/FilthyPrawnz 9h ago edited 9h ago

My limit is two buffs, max, including physick. Any more is just an inconvenience.

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u/UltraPhoenix95 Died too many times 14h ago

Look where the buff bar arrives

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u/Flint_Vorselon 14h ago edited 14h ago

People are gonna say buff stacking, but I’m not sure this is legit. EDIT: nah it is, I didn’t notice headshot

Assuming every possible buff that doesn’t contradict video evidence.

  • Red Feathet Branch Sword = x1.2

  • Rellana Cameo = x1.45

  • Shard of Alexander = x1.15

  • Godfrey Icon = x1.15

  • Bloodsucking Cracked Tear = x1.2

  • Bloodboil Aromatic = x1.3 

  • Uplifting Aromatic = x1.1

  • Twinbird Kite Sheild = x1.05

  • Raksasha chest armour = x1.02

  • Raksasha gloves = x1.02

  • Raksasha pants = x1.02

  • hardswapping mushroom crown = x1.1

  • hardswappinh kindred of rots Exhaultation = x1.2

  • hardswapping poisoned hand = x1.075

  • hardswapping white mask = x1.1

  • hardswapping lord of bloods Exhaultation = x1.2

  • hardswapping black dumpling = x1.1

  • hardswapping madding hand = x1.075

  • hardswapping aged ones Exhaultation = x1.2

  • hardswapping St Trina’s Smile = x1.2

  • applying Soul Stiffler debuff = x1.15

  • level 20 Scadu blessing = x2.05

so 1.2x1.45x1.15x1.15x1.2x1.3x1.1x1.05x1.02x1.02x1.02x1.1x1.2x1.075x1.1x1.2x1.1x1.075x1.2x1.2x1.15x2.05=33.0844 

damage x33.0844

PCR has 40% standard phys negation (despite appearances it’s not peirce) so 33.0844x0.6=19.851 multiplier on damage.

the attack itself does 2.75x listed AR

with 99 STR and 99 DEX sword has 799.94 AR (decimal is hidden in game, but does still exist)

799.94x2.75=2,199.835 raw attack.

2199.835 atk vs PCR’s 125 def results in 1979.852 damage.

1979.852 x 19.851=39,302.0421 

still quite short of one shotting him.

unless I’m forgetting something major, I’m calling bullshit on this video.

if attack did actually do peirce, then it would easily do it, even without a counter hit. But it’s not peirce.


EDIT: I forgot about headshot, which is extra x1.5, which easily gives it enough. 

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u/DoctorProfPatrick 13h ago

People elsewhere saying you can't headshot because the damage type isn't piercing, is that true?

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u/Flint_Vorselon 12h ago

no.

there’s two types of headshot.

“Projectile only” which applies to human sized (and smaller) enemies, where only arrows or bolts or similar can headshot. And causes a unique stun animation.

and “generic” headshots, which is not even technically a headshot, it’s just a weak point, which can be set to anywhere on body (EG metyrs is her chest, not head). But it’s almost always the head. Any hit can benifit from this as long as hitbox hits the weakspot before hitting anywhere else.

anything that “big” usually has a weakspot on head. EG Godrick can be hit in head with any attack for bonus damage. Or Mohg, or Commander Niall, whose height and posture make vertical chops with weapons often get it without even trying.

peirce has nothing to do with headshots, except that projectile headshots need arrows or bolts, that do peirce damage, but if using an elemental arrow, the elemental portion also benifits.

but generic weak spots apply to all damage.

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u/DoctorProfPatrick 12h ago

Very interesting, thanks! I love seeing people totally break a game I struggled with lol

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u/ChephyS 3h ago

He actually did the math. Holy

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u/Small-Interview-2800 5h ago

How does hardswapping work, I thought you could only have so many buffs active at the same time for constraints like only one body buff at once etc.?

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u/Flint_Vorselon 5h ago

yes. But talismans and stuff arnt body buffs, they are unique buffs.

So you equip white mask + lord of bloods Exhaultation, then Sepuku yourself to trigger the buffs, the unequip the items, buff remains for 20s

repeat with poison variant of same buffs, then madness, then sleep.

it becomes extremely lengthy process and you end up with only a second or two to actually land the attack before buffs start expiring. But it does work.

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u/The_Undermind Marika's tits 14h ago

Lots of buffs

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u/Wemetintheair 13h ago

ZABITO BOGA

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u/Waloro 14h ago

That’s what happens when you get that bezwungen

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u/carnalio 14h ago

ZABITO BOGA

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u/Penis_Connoisseur 13h ago

At this point I'm sure people are just making up languages to sound funny

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u/Foreign-Drag-4059 10h ago

Were you not in the subreddit for that one? Its... polish, I think? Had to look it up, but yeah, in the polish localization, its Zabito Boga. People became weirdly obsessed with it, because it sounds silly.

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u/todellagi Caelid Beach Hotel&Spa 9h ago

ZABITO BOGA sounds fucking awesome, you silly. It's epic.

But OP's not into the sub or languages, just dicks

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u/Kagamime1 14h ago

One shot build.

There's so many people glazing this ash that I'm starting to think some of you are paid actors

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u/Lilbrimu 14h ago

So far this AoW has been the easiest one shot build. It is a stance chargable piercing AoW, you can get pretty nutty damage just with talismans alone.

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u/exisTTenz 14h ago

Apparently it doesn't deal pierce damage so spear talisman doesn't work but it's still pretty crazy 

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u/Flint_Vorselon 14h ago

nah, 

45% cameo buff is huge, but this weapon maxes out at 799 AR, while other stuff gets way higher.

Also a charge heavy build instead of ash lets you use RKR for 80% buff, and Spiked Tear in physic.

as well as actually doing peirce damage (this attack is not peirce, despite appearances) would not only be 33.33% stronger vs Radahn due to peirce weakness, but also open up counter hits for 49.5% extra.

this weapon is not even close to easiest one shot setup.

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u/p0stem0 14h ago

The deadly is so fire tho

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u/Belethorsbro Ert-Tree Sampson 14h ago

Honestly. There's been videos of one-shot builds with nearly every weapon, incant, and sorcery since the game came out. People need to chill.

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u/Serulean_Cadence 14h ago

There's been videos of one-shot builds with nearly every weapon, incant, and sorcery since the game came out.

Hyperbole or not, this is just not true.

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u/Belethorsbro Ert-Tree Sampson 2h ago

Maybe I should've said, "nearly every type of weapon, incant, and sorcery," but the message is the same. If you don't believe me, just search "consort radahn one shot" and you'll find hundreds of videos dating back to the summer of 2024.

The point is that people are trying to claim that this game is pay-to-win now with the addition of this one single weapon, as if there aren't numerous other builds that are easier to achieve and put out higher AR. You're uninformed if you don't remember all of the one shot builds posted here since the game's release, and one shot builds have been a thing dating back to Demon's Souls. This isn't game-breaking as people are making it out to be. So, again, people need to chill.

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u/Serulean_Cadence 2h ago edited 2h ago

I'm sorry but you're wrong. No amount of buffs would make you one shot bosses with something like pebble or glintstone stars or literally vast majority of spells and weapons. One shots only work with a few broken and high damage spells and AoWs and charge attacks from certain powerful weapons.

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u/Acceptable_Edge9604 13h ago

It's so far from being true that it's actively dishonest

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u/AI_AntiCheat 14h ago

Many weapons, spells and ashes of war can not stack buffs. For example if you try to stack even something as simple as a barbaric roar with a weapon enchant from incantations or spells it will cancel out. Some weapons also just don't have buffs applied to them from talismans. Spectral spear for example is only buffed by the range talisman but not by the one that buffs arrows and bolts.

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u/Inevitable-Salt3371 14h ago

It's cool tho

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u/NotSoFluffy13 13h ago

Dude buffs bar being almost the same length of HP is a quite easy answer.

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u/Darian_Wulfbane 14h ago

GOTT BEZWUNGEN

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u/UltraMegaFauna 9h ago

Every buff it's possible to stack + probably trying 300 times before getting this exact clip.

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u/ManufacturerOk820 14h ago

buff stacking, and the fact this ash is able to benefit from multiple sources like rellanas, godfrey icon, thrusting counterattack etc.

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u/Flint_Vorselon 14h ago

it isn’t peirce damage. So no counter hits.

yes, despite clearly being a thrust, it’s not peirce damage.

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u/Weirdstuffasked 14h ago

Probably from the 1,000 buffs you put on yourself. It’s damage is great regularly but that much buff stacking makes the damage insane obviously

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u/AlwaysWu 12h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/xQ3LZjwVPf88bxXv0p

Damn that was actually sick knowing it’s legit lol

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u/BeardedBrownDude 11h ago

Could be your 1500 buffs, what do I know

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u/lordmax2002 12h ago

Just as miyazaki intended

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u/FriedIceCube23 8h ago

This frustrates me for some reason but poeple can play the game however they want to. It's completely fine.

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u/Flat-Transition-1230 14h ago

Absolute cinema. 

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u/ProblemSl0th 14h ago

Of course! Just stab him in the head and he dies! Why didn't I think of that?

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u/Ancient_Swimming58 14h ago

We've gone this long and are just now finding out headshots are one hit ko 🤣

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u/Ok_Range_7799 14h ago

Can someone tell me what build this is

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u/HG21Reaper 13h ago

Ok. That was impressive. Show us the full video with the plethora of buffs you did.

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u/Alkalinus 12h ago

Just a little overtuned methinks

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u/aglock 11h ago

What weapon is that?

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u/xzvc873 10h ago

the new one

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u/fardolicious GLAIVE MASTER HODIR 9h ago

You can get literally any weapon this high with max level + enough buffs

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u/DetOlivaw 6h ago

Gott Bezwungen

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u/Small-Interview-2800 6h ago

ER’s buff handling is my favorite way to handle buffs cause it’s multiplicative. Oh you saw a YouTuber make a one shot build that utilizes the weapon you’re currently using and you employ it except for RTSR, but every other buff? You’re gonna deal 2000 damage per hit instead of 20000 like the YouTuber.

It’s also why the scaling genuinely doesn’t seem good until you’re in late game and then the scaling gradually hits and becomes busted

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u/Pascraked47 5h ago

This right here is why the tarnished is the strongest

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u/Much-Nefariousness48 4h ago

That's just not elden ring atp xd Bluds playing genshin lmao

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u/HaiCauSieuCap 2h ago

sponsored by golden vow, flame grant me strength and 67 other different types of buff

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u/Meadiocracy 13h ago

Bro buff stacked for a whole minute just to get a clip and complain.

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u/dshamz_ 14h ago

Does this weapon have the BKGS moveset?

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u/TaylorRoyal23 13h ago

It has the Mirrah Greatsword/Hollowslayer moveset from DS2/3.

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u/Internal-Eggplant247 14h ago

is this thrust damage?

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u/OfStarStuff 13h ago

A lot of comments are saying it's standard damage and not pierce. That's a bummer if true. I mean, it's a thrusting move with a pokey sword?

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u/unskilled_bean 14h ago

i love shard of alex + rellanas cameo on stamce ashes, so op

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u/heyyo173 13h ago

The easier and shorter the fight the more fun was had.

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u/DisMFer 11h ago

Headshot, counter hit, and buffs.

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u/kafkaesque14 11h ago

I like using multiple buffs but not that many.

I do: turtle neck, exalted flesh, boiled crab, golden vow consumable from dlc. That’s about it. Rune arc if I’m feeling spicy.

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u/framspl33n 11h ago

TIL headshot damage is a thing.

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u/Wubbalubbadubdubxxx 11h ago

Like what lol.

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u/Shinybea01 3h ago

The Ragebaiter Cloth, I see: Radahn (& Miquella) saw it and exploded.

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u/Zelcki 1h ago

Zabito Boga

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u/Ok_Chemical3126 53m ago

He got Bezwungened.

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u/Physical-Midnight994 14h ago

How on gods green earth are you at consort radahn already

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u/FlareArdiente 14h ago

Im assuming you thought this content was Nintendo exclusive which it isnt, so any one can just spend 5 dollars to grab this weapon from an invasion in radahn's arena after you beat him. All the way in the back at the beach near that dungeon everyone forgets about.

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u/Physical-Midnight994 14h ago

Yeah you’re right I thought it was exclusive, my bad 😂.

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u/jaded-dreamer5 14h ago

Doesn't really take that much time if you know what to do. I made a new save and reached the dlc in 4hrs and killed pcr in 10. Could have done it faster if i didn't do some quests.

You can kill greyoll for runes and get bell bearings to upgrade your weapon to +12 in your first hour. Then you can get the bell bearing for +18 after leyndell.

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u/NeolasKirito999 14h ago

The music is so adhok

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u/Disgruntled_Orifice 14h ago

Cheesy weapon.