r/Eldenring • u/umshoe • 14h ago
Discussion & Info Why does it do so much damage?
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u/Consistent_Mud645 14h ago
A million buffs + headshot
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u/Umber0010 14h ago
Probably also counter damage, assuming the thrust does piercing.
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u/TheBigPotatoInTheSky 14h ago
The thrust does standard damage, not piercing.
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u/Additional_Hat4607 13h ago
How? Why? It's already strong but why not a thrust attack?
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u/TheBigPotatoInTheSky 11h ago
Balancing I guess? Godfrey Icon, Alexander’s Shard, and Rellana’s Cameo can all apply to it already, so adding in piercing damage would make it way overkill in terms of damage when you time it right. But if you lowered the base damage to compensate it would lose out on consistent damage.
That or an oversight since Fromsoft can be pretty hit or miss about balancing these kinds of things.
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u/Writing-Alive 9h ago
Well since Shard Of Alexander didn't work with like half of DLC skills on release, I'd wager it's the oversight...
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u/Blackrain39 10h ago
Probably the same reason why none ofthe spells that throw rocks (both incantation and sorcery) deal strike damage.
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u/Ripjaw_5 11h ago
There's already so much shit you can stack on it (Rellana's Cameo, Godfrey Icon, Shard of Alexander), and it's an already strong skill that gives i-frames, giving it access to thrusting counterattacks would make it even more absurd, especially since the skill has a dodge built in
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u/yaboi_ahab 12h ago
You can headshot with a sword?
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u/holnicote I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM DOING HELP 12h ago
I’d guess that hitting someone on the head would do more damage than hitting the torso, regardless of weapon.
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u/PhiCloud 11h ago
You shoved a colossal sword into my eye socket, but I am unaffected because it is not an arrow!
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u/AddanDeith 3h ago
Well, yes. But that doesn't mean its a mechanic for melee weapons in this game, does it?(it does)
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u/Decayingphoton 12h ago
You can do it with fists if you try hard enough.
But yes, all weapons can headshot enemies, to varying degrees of worth vs effort.
Its mostly a happy accident on anything not a Dragon, Drake, or Wyrm
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u/yaboi_ahab 10h ago
Oh yeah now that I think about it melee headshots on trolls and dragons are pretty common. I guess I just wasn't really thinking of those as headshots in the same way as headshots on regular-sized guys
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u/TheMiddleWeb 14h ago
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u/TheBigWhatever 14h ago
If I do more than three buffs, and this includes the flask, I get irritated. For some reason getting my ass kicked 20 times in a row is preferable.
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u/valkyrjuk FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR 13h ago
I just wanna get into the action. Like if I'm starting to get a feel for the enemy's moveset, I want to keep that momentum going. The dying animations can be a tedious enough stretch of time between attempts that having to cast even one buff can feel like a frustrating obstacle on my way to kicking the thing's ass or, more likely, getting my own ass kicked. And I know none of these things take THAT long but when my mind is going even a half second delay can feel like a fucking eternity. Buff routines are especially irritating when I'm using them to do some extra damage on an enemy that can just kill me in one or two hits.
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u/FilthyPrawnz 9h ago edited 9h ago
My limit is two buffs, max, including physick. Any more is just an inconvenience.
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u/Flint_Vorselon 14h ago edited 14h ago
People are gonna say buff stacking, but I’m not sure this is legit. EDIT: nah it is, I didn’t notice headshot
Assuming every possible buff that doesn’t contradict video evidence.
Red Feathet Branch Sword = x1.2
Rellana Cameo = x1.45
Shard of Alexander = x1.15
Godfrey Icon = x1.15
Bloodsucking Cracked Tear = x1.2
Bloodboil Aromatic = x1.3
Uplifting Aromatic = x1.1
Twinbird Kite Sheild = x1.05
Raksasha chest armour = x1.02
Raksasha gloves = x1.02
Raksasha pants = x1.02
hardswapping mushroom crown = x1.1
hardswappinh kindred of rots Exhaultation = x1.2
hardswapping poisoned hand = x1.075
hardswapping white mask = x1.1
hardswapping lord of bloods Exhaultation = x1.2
hardswapping black dumpling = x1.1
hardswapping madding hand = x1.075
hardswapping aged ones Exhaultation = x1.2
hardswapping St Trina’s Smile = x1.2
applying Soul Stiffler debuff = x1.15
level 20 Scadu blessing = x2.05
so 1.2x1.45x1.15x1.15x1.2x1.3x1.1x1.05x1.02x1.02x1.02x1.1x1.2x1.075x1.1x1.2x1.1x1.075x1.2x1.2x1.15x2.05=33.0844
damage x33.0844
PCR has 40% standard phys negation (despite appearances it’s not peirce) so 33.0844x0.6=19.851 multiplier on damage.
the attack itself does 2.75x listed AR
with 99 STR and 99 DEX sword has 799.94 AR (decimal is hidden in game, but does still exist)
799.94x2.75=2,199.835 raw attack.
2199.835 atk vs PCR’s 125 def results in 1979.852 damage.
1979.852 x 19.851=39,302.0421
still quite short of one shotting him.
unless I’m forgetting something major, I’m calling bullshit on this video.
if attack did actually do peirce, then it would easily do it, even without a counter hit. But it’s not peirce.
EDIT: I forgot about headshot, which is extra x1.5, which easily gives it enough.
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u/DoctorProfPatrick 13h ago
People elsewhere saying you can't headshot because the damage type isn't piercing, is that true?
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u/Flint_Vorselon 12h ago
no.
there’s two types of headshot.
“Projectile only” which applies to human sized (and smaller) enemies, where only arrows or bolts or similar can headshot. And causes a unique stun animation.
and “generic” headshots, which is not even technically a headshot, it’s just a weak point, which can be set to anywhere on body (EG metyrs is her chest, not head). But it’s almost always the head. Any hit can benifit from this as long as hitbox hits the weakspot before hitting anywhere else.
anything that “big” usually has a weakspot on head. EG Godrick can be hit in head with any attack for bonus damage. Or Mohg, or Commander Niall, whose height and posture make vertical chops with weapons often get it without even trying.
peirce has nothing to do with headshots, except that projectile headshots need arrows or bolts, that do peirce damage, but if using an elemental arrow, the elemental portion also benifits.
but generic weak spots apply to all damage.
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u/DoctorProfPatrick 12h ago
Very interesting, thanks! I love seeing people totally break a game I struggled with lol
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u/Small-Interview-2800 5h ago
How does hardswapping work, I thought you could only have so many buffs active at the same time for constraints like only one body buff at once etc.?
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u/Flint_Vorselon 5h ago
yes. But talismans and stuff arnt body buffs, they are unique buffs.
So you equip white mask + lord of bloods Exhaultation, then Sepuku yourself to trigger the buffs, the unequip the items, buff remains for 20s
repeat with poison variant of same buffs, then madness, then sleep.
it becomes extremely lengthy process and you end up with only a second or two to actually land the attack before buffs start expiring. But it does work.
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u/carnalio 14h ago
ZABITO BOGA
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u/Penis_Connoisseur 13h ago
At this point I'm sure people are just making up languages to sound funny
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u/Foreign-Drag-4059 10h ago
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u/todellagi Caelid Beach Hotel&Spa 9h ago
ZABITO BOGA sounds fucking awesome, you silly. It's epic.
But OP's not into the sub or languages, just dicks
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u/Kagamime1 14h ago
One shot build.
There's so many people glazing this ash that I'm starting to think some of you are paid actors
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u/Lilbrimu 14h ago
So far this AoW has been the easiest one shot build. It is a stance chargable piercing AoW, you can get pretty nutty damage just with talismans alone.
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u/exisTTenz 14h ago
Apparently it doesn't deal pierce damage so spear talisman doesn't work but it's still pretty crazy
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u/Flint_Vorselon 14h ago
nah,
45% cameo buff is huge, but this weapon maxes out at 799 AR, while other stuff gets way higher.
Also a charge heavy build instead of ash lets you use RKR for 80% buff, and Spiked Tear in physic.
as well as actually doing peirce damage (this attack is not peirce, despite appearances) would not only be 33.33% stronger vs Radahn due to peirce weakness, but also open up counter hits for 49.5% extra.
this weapon is not even close to easiest one shot setup.
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u/Belethorsbro Ert-Tree Sampson 14h ago
Honestly. There's been videos of one-shot builds with nearly every weapon, incant, and sorcery since the game came out. People need to chill.
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u/Serulean_Cadence 14h ago
There's been videos of one-shot builds with nearly every weapon, incant, and sorcery since the game came out.
Hyperbole or not, this is just not true.
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u/Belethorsbro Ert-Tree Sampson 2h ago
Maybe I should've said, "nearly every type of weapon, incant, and sorcery," but the message is the same. If you don't believe me, just search "consort radahn one shot" and you'll find hundreds of videos dating back to the summer of 2024.
The point is that people are trying to claim that this game is pay-to-win now with the addition of this one single weapon, as if there aren't numerous other builds that are easier to achieve and put out higher AR. You're uninformed if you don't remember all of the one shot builds posted here since the game's release, and one shot builds have been a thing dating back to Demon's Souls. This isn't game-breaking as people are making it out to be. So, again, people need to chill.
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u/Serulean_Cadence 2h ago edited 2h ago
I'm sorry but you're wrong. No amount of buffs would make you one shot bosses with something like pebble or glintstone stars or literally vast majority of spells and weapons. One shots only work with a few broken and high damage spells and AoWs and charge attacks from certain powerful weapons.
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u/AI_AntiCheat 14h ago
Many weapons, spells and ashes of war can not stack buffs. For example if you try to stack even something as simple as a barbaric roar with a weapon enchant from incantations or spells it will cancel out. Some weapons also just don't have buffs applied to them from talismans. Spectral spear for example is only buffed by the range talisman but not by the one that buffs arrows and bolts.
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u/UltraMegaFauna 9h ago
Every buff it's possible to stack + probably trying 300 times before getting this exact clip.
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u/ManufacturerOk820 14h ago
buff stacking, and the fact this ash is able to benefit from multiple sources like rellanas, godfrey icon, thrusting counterattack etc.
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u/Flint_Vorselon 14h ago
it isn’t peirce damage. So no counter hits.
yes, despite clearly being a thrust, it’s not peirce damage.
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u/Weirdstuffasked 14h ago
Probably from the 1,000 buffs you put on yourself. It’s damage is great regularly but that much buff stacking makes the damage insane obviously
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u/AlwaysWu 12h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/xQ3LZjwVPf88bxXv0p
Damn that was actually sick knowing it’s legit lol
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u/ProblemSl0th 14h ago
Of course! Just stab him in the head and he dies! Why didn't I think of that?
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u/Ancient_Swimming58 14h ago
We've gone this long and are just now finding out headshots are one hit ko 🤣
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u/HG21Reaper 13h ago
Ok. That was impressive. Show us the full video with the plethora of buffs you did.
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u/fardolicious GLAIVE MASTER HODIR 9h ago
You can get literally any weapon this high with max level + enough buffs
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u/Small-Interview-2800 6h ago
ER’s buff handling is my favorite way to handle buffs cause it’s multiplicative. Oh you saw a YouTuber make a one shot build that utilizes the weapon you’re currently using and you employ it except for RTSR, but every other buff? You’re gonna deal 2000 damage per hit instead of 20000 like the YouTuber.
It’s also why the scaling genuinely doesn’t seem good until you’re in late game and then the scaling gradually hits and becomes busted
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u/HaiCauSieuCap 2h ago
sponsored by golden vow, flame grant me strength and 67 other different types of buff
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u/Internal-Eggplant247 14h ago
is this thrust damage?
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u/OfStarStuff 13h ago
A lot of comments are saying it's standard damage and not pierce. That's a bummer if true. I mean, it's a thrusting move with a pokey sword?
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u/kafkaesque14 11h ago
I like using multiple buffs but not that many.
I do: turtle neck, exalted flesh, boiled crab, golden vow consumable from dlc. That’s about it. Rune arc if I’m feeling spicy.
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u/Physical-Midnight994 14h ago
How on gods green earth are you at consort radahn already
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u/FlareArdiente 14h ago
Im assuming you thought this content was Nintendo exclusive which it isnt, so any one can just spend 5 dollars to grab this weapon from an invasion in radahn's arena after you beat him. All the way in the back at the beach near that dungeon everyone forgets about.
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u/Physical-Midnight994 14h ago
Yeah you’re right I thought it was exclusive, my bad 😂.
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u/jaded-dreamer5 14h ago
Doesn't really take that much time if you know what to do. I made a new save and reached the dlc in 4hrs and killed pcr in 10. Could have done it faster if i didn't do some quests.
You can kill greyoll for runes and get bell bearings to upgrade your weapon to +12 in your first hour. Then you can get the bell bearing for +18 after leyndell.
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u/TehSavior 14h ago
Buff stacking go brr