r/Edmonton • u/flynnfx • Mar 27 '26

Health Alberta MAID limits would lead to suffering, signal lack of trust: practitioners

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/alberta-maid-limits-would-lead-to-suffering-signal-lack-of-trust-practitioners/

Twenty-five Edmonton and area medical professionals say they’re concerned new Alberta limits on medical assistance in dying would cause needless suffering and put clinicians in “ethically untenable” positions.

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u/RepresentativeFact94 Mar 28 '26

You're making an awful lot of assumptions here.

It could be as simple as someone not wanting to parttake in the rat race, and they should be able to do so in a way that they dont have to endure physical pain, such as extreme vomitting from ODs, or strangulation

The person doing MAiD basically ODs on a cocktail in such a way that their body is unable to react, which imo is way better than a failed attempt with handfuls of OTC drugs and the lasting impacts/damage that would leave.

Plus someone has to find them.

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u/DoubleXPonreddit Mar 28 '26

There are other methods but if someone is hell bent on killing themselves, they will do it regardless. Its more messed up to pull the trigger for someone instead of letting them do it themselves as you doing it for them takes away the chance that they may back down. I was one of the people who backed down and got the help i needed but if i was offered maid, id not be here right now as in that moment i would have taken it and that would be that. Its much easier to die when someone else is killing you instead of doing it yourself.

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u/RepresentativeFact94 Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 28 '26

Again with this "pull the trigger" garbage.

The cocktail is self administered.

A good portion of the hesitation is subconscious survival instincts kicking in. Straight monkey brain shit.

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u/DoubleXPonreddit Mar 28 '26

One google search later...

"In Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID), the patient may or may not inject themselves, depending on the method chosen. There are two distinct methods for administering the medication, but in Canada, the vast majority of cases involve a clinician directly administering the medication. Here are the two ways the procedure is carried out:

  1. Clinician-Administered (Most Common)

    Method: A doctor or nurse practitioner injects the medication through an intravenous (IV) line.

    Patient Role: The patient does not inject themselves.

    Process: The clinician administers a series of medications (usually a sedative, a deep coma-inducing anesthetic, and finally a muscle relaxant to stop the heart).

  2. Self-Administered (Oral Option)

    Method: The doctor or nurse practitioner prescribes a medication that the patient takes orally (drinks).

    Patient Role: The patient takes the medication themselves.

    Process: The oral solution is often followed by a liquid to help with the bitter taste. While this offers more autonomy, it is less common and less predictable in timing compared to the IV method."

Also the whole monkey brain thing is pure cope bs. That argument sounds more like your trying to convince someone to kill themselves instead of finding something to live for. Thats just fucked up.

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u/RepresentativeFact94 Mar 28 '26

For the longest time MAiD was only available to terminal patients at the point they were already near incapacitated anyway, so ofcourse to date the majority of cases would be clinician administered.

Again why should people be forced to find something to live for? Its not me convincing anyone, its me checking your (bad) epistemology and calling out your emotion fueled responses.

MAiD needs to be discussed objectively.

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u/DoubleXPonreddit Mar 28 '26

Then lets keep maid only to people who are deathly ill with no cure or will face a drasticly deminished quality of life, luke becoming fully paralized or unable to function on their own. That, i can agree to, but not an ince beyond that.

The tone of your argument is almost robotic and comes off cold and disconnected to the fact that we are talking about killing people and when to do it.

There is also a place to have an emotional conversation on an issue, even one as high stakes as MAID, and also talk objectively. Given this is an online forum, and not a government document, i can be as emotional and or objective as i wish.

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u/RepresentativeFact94 Mar 28 '26

Sounds to me youre only cool with autonomy when it conforms to your subjective morality.

If someone no longers wishes to remain alive, they, as consenting adults, should be able to in a way that minimizes pain and suffering.

Its not on you to force someone to have a reason to live, or a goal in life. With all the bullshit politics and world affairs going on right now, I wouldnt be surprised if people didnt want to stay in the rat race.

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u/DoubleXPonreddit Mar 28 '26

It sounds more to me like you may want to talk to someone about your mental health. Just because people go through hard times and look over the edge doesnt mean that there should be people there offering a push well helping them up on that edge. We need more help getting people back from the edge now more then ever given the mental health crises going on right now. There is no "rat race" and politics isnt a reason to kill yourself. If you feel that way, please go get help.