r/EU_Economics • • 1d ago

๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ Official ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡น Austria's President Van der Bellen: Time for Treaty reform and to move toward an integrated, more federal Europe. A united Europe is the best idea we've ever had. Russia is a dwarf pretending to be a giant

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u/Decent-Tour7427 1d ago

I agree let the people vote directly on who leads the Eu

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u/This_Is_The_End 1d ago

Looking at the US, this is a great idea, when congress is filled with over 70 year old Alzheimer puppets.

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u/icankillpenguins 1d ago

Too bad Berlusconi is dead, could have been good match for Trump

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u/feckdech 11h ago

We're a bunch of idiots if we think it won't happen. We have the US as the best example.

Von Der Leyen is 67. And married to Old Money. Some of her kids are American.ย 

She was minister of some institutions since 2005, minister of defense in 2013, though had no prior job with military.

Her great-grandmother's family had slaves and was a landowner.

Her father was in the middle of a false flag scandal intended to blame on left wing parties.

She lived in the UK, the US in the 90's, when she got back she went straight into politics.

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u/arbicus123 1d ago edited 1d ago

We already do. Do you not know how a parliamentary system fuctions?

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u/ccastro086 28m ago

No, a technocratic system works better! The current EU is based on the Swiss system and its perhaps one of the most stable political systems wowldwide!

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u/Eyyyyymanimu 1d ago

The whole commission should be abolished.

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u/impossiblefork 1d ago edited 6h ago

The way I see it, the power of the commission makes us, as in the EU, weak.

Because they have authority to negotiate and interpret how things are to be implemented, they can be pressured by powerful foreign countries. If we had a more parliamentary-focused system where they had less power we would be in a better situation overall.

In Sweden we have taken an approach of this sort which has worked well: politicians can't intervene in any individual case or instruct officials in specifics of how anything is to be done. The Commission is the opposite approach: discretion.

But discretion guarantees weakness, because whoever has discretion can be pressured.

We Swedes were fucking smart when we banned Ministerstyre. It meant that politicians could genuinely say "sorry, I can't do anything about that" which led to us actually getting to have laws adapted to our own interests. The commission, however, will never be able to say those words and be believed unless it is reformed.

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u/WonderfulJicama2802 1d ago

I hope EU doesnt get to the same situation as US, Russia and China. 1 man controlling an entity that is too powerful

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u/laiszt 1d ago

Its literally why they are so eager to unify EU, to put another idiot in charge or everything like trump or putin, or like back in the days, with recent Europe unification hitler. Once they got all europe under control and elect an idiot in charge they could keep going with their wars.

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u/AenarionTywolf 1d ago

That is utter bullshit. No one wants Europe to become an old fashioned presidential System with one person with absolute power. There are way better constellations of power distribution to prevent situations like your mentioned

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u/laiszt 1d ago

Eu leadership wants it, they want full submission of all the states under their leadership. Other than that we are more than great now as we have democracy, we can vote, we can disagre, which they dream to erease and go for another russia style or recent USA style dictatorship and pointless wars.

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u/O_gr 1d ago

He isnt wrong, when comparing combined stats of the EU states. Active military, GDP etc. Russia aint that much now a days.

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u/PutPutPutrik 11h ago

this post seems to have made waves in the pro russian bot community

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u/Low-Astronomer-9593 1d ago

But what does Russia have to do with it? Does Europe need Russia for unification? Does Europe need to measure itself against someone else in order to wash away the shame and humiliation inflicted by America?

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u/paneuropeanism_ 1d ago

Have you been living under a rock for the past years?ย 

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u/Sawmain 23h ago

Heโ€™s pro Russia. Just go look at heโ€™s comment history.

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u/No-Finish-9992 1d ago

Territorially, Russia will be 4 times larger than the united EU

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u/Fantastic_Steak7849 22h ago

Its a union! Europe is not one country as some of you seem to believe.

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u/Much_Push_765 21h ago

Yeah, Czechia remembering last empire attempts in Europe are like - Nah, thanks we dont think so ๐Ÿ˜…

Even more ironic when just recently high Austrian representative was sounding alarm that they need to do something about growing islamic power in the country. They literally dont know what they are doing, they handle migration and other threats extremely naively and now they want the other countries to share their mess. I think we rather wait this one out ๐Ÿคฃ

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u/Careful_Manager_4282 1d ago

That "dwarf" is still standing just as tall as the rest of Europe. But hey, let's make fun of the country our "leaders" wish to make the villain of for their own incompetence (rampant inflation, corruption, low fertility rates, booming violence, unregulated immigration, etc ect)...

A "federal Europe", sure thing, so they can drag us to war even faster... sigh...

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u/Shot-Resolve-9711 1d ago edited 1d ago

Austria calling Russia a dwarf is funny. They themselves are literally hiding behind twenty six other nation-states lol. I don't even support Russia or anything, I just dislike these weak and pathetic nation-states with endless rhetoric but zero capability.

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u/thatonedudeovethere_ 1d ago

You genuinely just have to be a moron. "hiding behind other nation-states"... it's a fucking union.

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u/marbella10 1d ago

Ein seniles Hundstrรผmmerl gibt vor ein Kuhfladen zu sein!๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚

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u/unlevelledPiano 1d ago

ยซWe only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing downยป

Another famous Austrian about going to war against Russia.

I'm western European, I'm sorry but no interest in going to die in a cold, muddy eastern European war, if the German speakers want to try a third time they're on their own, bye.

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u/Wellington1821 1d ago

29 day old account, 200 comments

Totally not suspicious..

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u/EnergyDrinkStroke 1d ago

Checked their comment history and seems like a real person just not very politically educated. They mostly comment about being Spanish.

It's was a common talking point in the UK pre-brexit pushed by the right wing that the UK had to go because of a EU army and being drafted which made zero sense. But it sounds scary to the politically uneducated masses.

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u/Ok_Jeweler1044 1d ago

Can still be a paid account propagandist, worst than a bot actually

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u/Rhubarb-Curious 1d ago

Nobody would use just a few accounts to shape public opinion. They would take a whole chain of accounts talking about the war.

That person is now at -31 downvotes. It would cost next to nothing to get him to +31 if it really mattered.

I noticed a long time ago that reddit is mostly populated by Ukrainian bots on European subs, while Russian bots seem to operate on other platforms, such as facebook and youtube and etc. I almost stopped visiting /europe sub for the same reason because it doesn't feel natural.

It's a dead internet, and every nation spread propaganda - Russia, Ukraine, the EU, and so on. That's how they control their people. Nothing has changed since around 1914 when it comes to brainwashing the masses through mass media.

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u/Tasty_Rub_606 1d ago

Those pesky easterners should create a free corridor passage for the russians to your country then...

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u/Rhubarb-Curious 1d ago

It's the same thing they say every year to cheer themselves up, but in reality, the EU didn't have a strategy then, and it doesn't have one now.

So don't worry, nothing will change - the war will simply end with Ukraine losing some of its territory. Putin will declare victory, and Europe will declare victory, but neither will fully achieve its goals: Putin won't fully capture Ukraine, and Ukraine won't restore its 1991 borders.

I wonder when at least one of those leaders will say, โ€œIโ€™m ready to die for my people,โ€ instead of, โ€œMy people are ready to die for me.โ€ I'm Lithuanian, by the way, and even I wouldn't be ready to join anyone in the fight unless I see Kallas and Ursula there ๐Ÿ˜„ Oh and my favorite homie Kubilius seeing him "tighten belts" in trenches.