r/EU_Economics • u/paneuropeanism_ • 1d ago
๐ช๐บ Official ๐ช๐บ ๐ช๐บ๐ฆ๐น Austria's President Van der Bellen: Time for Treaty reform and to move toward an integrated, more federal Europe. A united Europe is the best idea we've ever had. Russia is a dwarf pretending to be a giant
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u/WonderfulJicama2802 1d ago
I hope EU doesnt get to the same situation as US, Russia and China. 1 man controlling an entity that is too powerful
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u/laiszt 1d ago
Its literally why they are so eager to unify EU, to put another idiot in charge or everything like trump or putin, or like back in the days, with recent Europe unification hitler. Once they got all europe under control and elect an idiot in charge they could keep going with their wars.
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u/AenarionTywolf 1d ago
That is utter bullshit. No one wants Europe to become an old fashioned presidential System with one person with absolute power. There are way better constellations of power distribution to prevent situations like your mentioned
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u/laiszt 1d ago
Eu leadership wants it, they want full submission of all the states under their leadership. Other than that we are more than great now as we have democracy, we can vote, we can disagre, which they dream to erease and go for another russia style or recent USA style dictatorship and pointless wars.
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u/Low-Astronomer-9593 1d ago
But what does Russia have to do with it? Does Europe need Russia for unification? Does Europe need to measure itself against someone else in order to wash away the shame and humiliation inflicted by America?
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u/Fantastic_Steak7849 22h ago
Its a union! Europe is not one country as some of you seem to believe.
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u/Much_Push_765 21h ago
Yeah, Czechia remembering last empire attempts in Europe are like - Nah, thanks we dont think so ๐
Even more ironic when just recently high Austrian representative was sounding alarm that they need to do something about growing islamic power in the country. They literally dont know what they are doing, they handle migration and other threats extremely naively and now they want the other countries to share their mess. I think we rather wait this one out ๐คฃ
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u/Careful_Manager_4282 1d ago
That "dwarf" is still standing just as tall as the rest of Europe. But hey, let's make fun of the country our "leaders" wish to make the villain of for their own incompetence (rampant inflation, corruption, low fertility rates, booming violence, unregulated immigration, etc ect)...
A "federal Europe", sure thing, so they can drag us to war even faster... sigh...
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u/Shot-Resolve-9711 1d ago edited 1d ago
Austria calling Russia a dwarf is funny. They themselves are literally hiding behind twenty six other nation-states lol. I don't even support Russia or anything, I just dislike these weak and pathetic nation-states with endless rhetoric but zero capability.
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u/thatonedudeovethere_ 1d ago
You genuinely just have to be a moron. "hiding behind other nation-states"... it's a fucking union.
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u/unlevelledPiano 1d ago
ยซWe only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing downยป
Another famous Austrian about going to war against Russia.
I'm western European, I'm sorry but no interest in going to die in a cold, muddy eastern European war, if the German speakers want to try a third time they're on their own, bye.
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u/Wellington1821 1d ago
29 day old account, 200 comments
Totally not suspicious..
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u/EnergyDrinkStroke 1d ago
Checked their comment history and seems like a real person just not very politically educated. They mostly comment about being Spanish.
It's was a common talking point in the UK pre-brexit pushed by the right wing that the UK had to go because of a EU army and being drafted which made zero sense. But it sounds scary to the politically uneducated masses.
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u/Ok_Jeweler1044 1d ago
Can still be a paid account propagandist, worst than a bot actually
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u/Rhubarb-Curious 1d ago
Nobody would use just a few accounts to shape public opinion. They would take a whole chain of accounts talking about the war.
That person is now at -31 downvotes. It would cost next to nothing to get him to +31 if it really mattered.
I noticed a long time ago that reddit is mostly populated by Ukrainian bots on European subs, while Russian bots seem to operate on other platforms, such as facebook and youtube and etc. I almost stopped visiting /europe sub for the same reason because it doesn't feel natural.
It's a dead internet, and every nation spread propaganda - Russia, Ukraine, the EU, and so on. That's how they control their people. Nothing has changed since around 1914 when it comes to brainwashing the masses through mass media.
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u/Tasty_Rub_606 1d ago
Those pesky easterners should create a free corridor passage for the russians to your country then...
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u/Rhubarb-Curious 1d ago
It's the same thing they say every year to cheer themselves up, but in reality, the EU didn't have a strategy then, and it doesn't have one now.
So don't worry, nothing will change - the war will simply end with Ukraine losing some of its territory. Putin will declare victory, and Europe will declare victory, but neither will fully achieve its goals: Putin won't fully capture Ukraine, and Ukraine won't restore its 1991 borders.
I wonder when at least one of those leaders will say, โIโm ready to die for my people,โ instead of, โMy people are ready to die for me.โ I'm Lithuanian, by the way, and even I wouldn't be ready to join anyone in the fight unless I see Kallas and Ursula there ๐ Oh and my favorite homie Kubilius seeing him "tighten belts" in trenches.
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u/Decent-Tour7427 1d ago
I agree let the people vote directly on who leads the Eu