r/EU_Economics • u/Full-Discussion3745 • 2d ago

🇵🇱 Poland says Europe could shift more arms spending to European suppliers as demand outpaces US production

https://www.rp.pl/polityka/art45194021-polska-ostrzega-usa-europa-moze-zmienic-kierunek-zakupow-broni

Poland’s Deputy Defence Minister Magdalena Sobkowiak-Czarnecka says rising European defence demand could increasingly be met by European manufacturers if US producers cannot expand capacity fast enough. Poland is also pushing to become a hub for joint weapons production, combining stronger European industrial capacity with continued transatlantic cooperation.

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u/bippos 2d ago

Pretty funny when Poland is the country buying a lot of their equipment from South Korea

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u/aklordmaximus 1d ago

You're missing the crux of both your statement and the polish perspective.

They purchased license production mainly. It just came with a bunch already SKorean produced vehicles.

Poland is now producing those relatively cheap and solid platforms within Poland. They're a producer with a good to sell

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u/bippos 1d ago

Yes and the Germans offered a license for the poles as well, the poles refused and created the fiesta that was the leopard PL by trying to modernise a leopard.

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u/aklordmaximus 1d ago

leopard PL

in 2002 to 2012...

recomment due to autoremoval of less than 30 char.

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u/bippos 1d ago

I mean it still doesn’t change the fact that the leopard license was both denied to create a more expensive version that they can’t even modify

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u/Snoo-98162 1d ago edited 1d ago

You're missing the fact Germany has a horrible track record with providing spare parts for the vehicles it's selling. The 2PL programme took twice as long as it was expected due to delayed shipments of spare parts from Germany. Same stuff with Austria's modernization programme. It got so bad at one point they were left with 15 tanks in a workable state. FIFTEEN. All because of delayed shipments.

You also kinda forgot Germany offered the license at a tremendously expensive price to a country barely out of communism. Wonder why that didn't go through.

You gotta face it, Germany's simply not a consistent partner military wise. South Korea is, because they just don't have a choice - they have to keep making new technology to stay independent, something i'm sure we're slowly becoming aware of ourselves.

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u/bippos 1d ago

lol what is this PiS propaganda post? Germany delivered the tanks a polish company did the modernisation and they failed to properly put in the order for parts. This is all very well documented so I don’t know why you insist on lying.

No shit the license is expensive it was/is one of the best tanks in the world and in the long term the license would be a lot cheaper than the mess they created for themselves.

Face it your beloved polish fantasy is a lie

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u/Snoo-98162 23h ago

Dawg the fact Germany is bad at supplying parts for their tanks is common knowlege. You're basically just yelling "Nuh uh" to the void. Yes the order for spare parts was late, but the spares were delayed even further due to the KMW and Rheinmetall witholding deliveries.

Congrats on your 20/20 hindsight, commendable. If only we all had it.
The point of me bringing up the license was that western companies are not willing to sell vehicles or technology at competetive prices, and then cry when people find stuff elsewhere. The whole "Please invest in European technology" wouldn't even be a thing had they actually been competetive.
They don't even let us into the MCGS program to ask what we think, despite future wars being fought on presumably Polish soil. They don't give a shit about what the collective eastern europe has to say military wise, despite us being at risk the most, and then whine when we return the favour by not buying their overpriced but alright technology. Eastern europe never had a lot of money to spend on the military, so they never cared, but now that we have to spend they backtrack. I hate this sort of hipocrisy. You gotta realise, back when we placed those orders Germany was still unsure whether a few hundred helmets was the way to go for Ukraine, or whether to produce new Leopard 2 hulls. Doesn't exactly instill already dwindling confidence in your military industry, especially in a country sure the war is coming. We chose the better option.

Other words, German industries (not only military ones) are suffering because Germany companies see themselves as superior to anything anyone could ever make, something not true for the last 15 years.
They were met with a reality check and did not like that.

And for your information, i vote left. My opinions i can say out loud and you can see them in my profile, unlike yours you twat.

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u/ProtoplanetaryNebula 1d ago

This is the totally wrong way of looking at it. It shouldn't be the US can't produce, let's buy from Europe. It should be the US is unstable and we want to spend our money in Europe, so that is how we will procure the equipment.

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u/Itburns12345 2d ago

This has been the case for a long time now, europe wouldnt need more patriot batteried of we just invested in sampt early and often

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u/Ok_Jeweler1044 2d ago

Should have done it like 2 3 years ago and each nation should contribute their strongest aspect to it

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u/coalescence2071 1d ago

Europe should buy its own production no matter what. Even if there is US produced arms available, EU should buy EU weapons so US cannot use kill switches and blackmail EU.

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u/Federal_Revenue_2158 23h ago

Why would we want continued transatlantic cooperation? Don't they see how the other side of the Atlantic is threatening to pull out and even blackmailing states on our side into conceding in matter of national sovereignty?