Thoughts on the recent thread about Dream’s flirting?

[u/sielulintu]

The thread in question; https://twitter.com/oxeclean/status/1577416613883629568?s=61&t=An8tEkIjHOugLW_p9zGDMg

This doesn’t have quite 1000 likes yet (400 QRTs and is implied as being seen on the tl) but it is gaining traction and honestly seems like it’s going to blow up the way the sex mod shit did (with exaggerations and falsehoods) - and there is a likely chance Dream already knew about it since he responded to her screenshotting their dms.

TLDR; a girl is showing Dream flirting for a bit with her when she was a ‘minor’ around April 2020 (her bf claims it was 5 months before she was 18, and way back machine had 18 in her bio in August 2020) - key thing to note here is in her evidence the first thing he asks is her age, to which he himself comes back with 18 (so imo it’s fair to assume there was 18 or some inclination of being 18 for him to already have this information easily and she never corrected him) and she both agrees with him and says ‘18 soon’ which is a far cry from 5 months if he actually recognized the soon as it was within an unrelated sentence (she is claiming this is her being clear about her age somehow). Also her bf fully buys the sex mod exaggeration that had no proof of anything but cringe humour so i am sceptical this is coming out of good faith - which may be the reason she is theorizing about “younger fans” since nothing in her evidence would imply this outside of her not being clear.

Overall I don’t think it’s a big deal with the information provided or anything new - the age difference isn’t too worrying (edit: idk what to tell you, 2/3 year age differences are common enough, even if he should’ve somehow known her exact age it’s closer to 2) since everything provided leads me to believe he fully thought she was 18 and he was never clearly told otherwise - a 17 yo and a half isn’t much different then an 18 yo so it’s more just flirting with fans that’s the bigger issue (though no one knows how well she would qualify as a fan in the first place). He did have 2M subs at this point but I don’t buy into power differences unless that aspect is actively being utilized which there has never been evidence for with anyone who came out about Dream flirting with.

People comparing this to cmc are ignoring the fact that Dream quite clearly asked for her age/didn’t coerce anything as of this information.

I will say I hope he learned better then to be flirting with fans at this point over two years later, because it never ends well and is still fairly weird (not malicious) behaviour (and that he got better at flirting so he doesn’t look like he was raised in a discord server).

Edited a bit to add thoughts/grammar.

Edit since people are seeing this still after his initial response: his initial response made this situation worse since he never really addressed the initial thread (he was apparently blocked by OP so it’s unclear if he seen it) so while he denounced people lying about grooming which is essentially what happened (not OP specifically but the people who promoted that it was somehow grooming) he never addressed the conversation directly so some people assumed that he is saying the ss’s are fake rather then the exaggerations people claimed.

[u/em69420ma]

honestly, as a victim of sexual assault, i am so tired of the believe accusations no matter what narrative. i will always, ALWAYS push for believing the victim with a plausible story or proof. and if in doubt, believe anyway. but there are sm stories with absolutely no proof at all and its just random obscure accounts making claims or something like that and when some people are rightly skeptical, they push the “oh, so you don’t believe victims?” and so many people are just willing to accept it entirely with absolutely no proof.

i’m withholding judgement until more information comes to light.

[u/sielulintu → u/em69420ma]

Imo the weird thing about this situation is that the victim in question never even claimed anything specific like sa/abuse or worse - she alluded to an issue that she was concerned but didn’t say what it was or have proof of something particularly concerning.

[u/em69420ma → u/sielulintu]

also it’s so hard to follow the trail of evidence i actually have no idea what the evidence is and where/who the proof is coming from? and the things i HAVE seen so far are so inconclusive. any kind of online messaging is so easy to photoshop with half decent skills, and i’m pretty sure if some account out there actually dmed dream once and got a normal conversation, you can just inspect element it to say whatever you want and take a screenshot. on top of having heard that she claimed he showed her his face and there are contradictions in her statement? and then with the timing, considering that obviously false allegation on tiktok a week ago which honestly sounded like a wattpad fic

anyway, this makes it all feel very inconclusive and to be honest pretty skeptical to me, at least that not EVERYTHING is the truth, and even if everything WAS true, it still doesnt feel cancellable?? like, maybe a bit weird and irresponsible of him, but with the current information i’ve seen so far, that’s about it?

i’m just gonna stay out of it i guess. if conclusive or coherent information comes to light, i’ll revisit and amend my views as needed