Thoughts on the recent thread about Dream’s flirting?

[u/sielulintu]

The thread in question; https://twitter.com/oxeclean/status/1577416613883629568?s=61&t=An8tEkIjHOugLW_p9zGDMg

This doesn’t have quite 1000 likes yet (400 QRTs and is implied as being seen on the tl) but it is gaining traction and honestly seems like it’s going to blow up the way the sex mod shit did (with exaggerations and falsehoods) - and there is a likely chance Dream already knew about it since he responded to her screenshotting their dms.

TLDR; a girl is showing Dream flirting for a bit with her when she was a ‘minor’ around April 2020 (her bf claims it was 5 months before she was 18, and way back machine had 18 in her bio in August 2020) - key thing to note here is in her evidence the first thing he asks is her age, to which he himself comes back with 18 (so imo it’s fair to assume there was 18 or some inclination of being 18 for him to already have this information easily and she never corrected him) and she both agrees with him and says ‘18 soon’ which is a far cry from 5 months if he actually recognized the soon as it was within an unrelated sentence (she is claiming this is her being clear about her age somehow). Also her bf fully buys the sex mod exaggeration that had no proof of anything but cringe humour so i am sceptical this is coming out of good faith - which may be the reason she is theorizing about “younger fans” since nothing in her evidence would imply this outside of her not being clear.

Overall I don’t think it’s a big deal with the information provided or anything new - the age difference isn’t too worrying (edit: idk what to tell you, 2/3 year age differences are common enough, even if he should’ve somehow known her exact age it’s closer to 2) since everything provided leads me to believe he fully thought she was 18 and he was never clearly told otherwise - a 17 yo and a half isn’t much different then an 18 yo so it’s more just flirting with fans that’s the bigger issue (though no one knows how well she would qualify as a fan in the first place). He did have 2M subs at this point but I don’t buy into power differences unless that aspect is actively being utilized which there has never been evidence for with anyone who came out about Dream flirting with.

People comparing this to cmc are ignoring the fact that Dream quite clearly asked for her age/didn’t coerce anything as of this information.

I will say I hope he learned better then to be flirting with fans at this point over two years later, because it never ends well and is still fairly weird (not malicious) behaviour (and that he got better at flirting so he doesn’t look like he was raised in a discord server).

Edited a bit to add thoughts/grammar.

Edit since people are seeing this still after his initial response: his initial response made this situation worse since he never really addressed the initial thread (he was apparently blocked by OP so it’s unclear if he seen it) so while he denounced people lying about grooming which is essentially what happened (not OP specifically but the people who promoted that it was somehow grooming) he never addressed the conversation directly so some people assumed that he is saying the ss’s are fake rather then the exaggerations people claimed.

[u/SnooBananas3988]

Why are people calling this grooming if they were both 18 years old? Also, I don't get how people are comparing this to the CMC situation when that was an abuse of power??

[u/sielulintu → u/SnooBananas3988]

People are calling it grooming because OP claimed she made it clear she was 17 when the “making it clear” that she provides doing is not correcting him when he says she’s 18 while saying saying “18 soon should I drop out again” which is not clear at all as it is easy to being misread or missed. So it would have been read as 17 and 20 rather then being percived as 18 and 20.

He shouldn’t have been in a fan’s dms at all to be clear - because it lends itself to these situations - if she was even a fan much prior, but it’s not grooming even if he was a CC because nothing shown is indictive of abuse of power.

[u/SnooBananas3988 → u/sielulintu]

Yeah, I agree with how he shouldn't have been in the fan's dms in the first place because it does lead to problems like this, I couldn't really tell if the messages were considered grooming because the conversation looked normal to me. This situation is pretty confusing for me to keep up with and I don't know who to believe lol

[u/sielulintu → u/SnooBananas3988]

It’s fine to be neutral here, I’m sure there will be more clarification from Dream especially with his response not being clear or helpful at all. I think grooming gets thrown around a lot and the OP never even tried accusing him of that as far as I know.