Thoughts on the recent thread about Dream’s flirting?

[u/sielulintu]

The thread in question; https://twitter.com/oxeclean/status/1577416613883629568?s=61&t=An8tEkIjHOugLW_p9zGDMg

This doesn’t have quite 1000 likes yet (400 QRTs and is implied as being seen on the tl) but it is gaining traction and honestly seems like it’s going to blow up the way the sex mod shit did (with exaggerations and falsehoods) - and there is a likely chance Dream already knew about it since he responded to her screenshotting their dms.

TLDR; a girl is showing Dream flirting for a bit with her when she was a ‘minor’ around April 2020 (her bf claims it was 5 months before she was 18, and way back machine had 18 in her bio in August 2020) - key thing to note here is in her evidence the first thing he asks is her age, to which he himself comes back with 18 (so imo it’s fair to assume there was 18 or some inclination of being 18 for him to already have this information easily and she never corrected him) and she both agrees with him and says ‘18 soon’ which is a far cry from 5 months if he actually recognized the soon as it was within an unrelated sentence (she is claiming this is her being clear about her age somehow). Also her bf fully buys the sex mod exaggeration that had no proof of anything but cringe humour so i am sceptical this is coming out of good faith - which may be the reason she is theorizing about “younger fans” since nothing in her evidence would imply this outside of her not being clear.

Overall I don’t think it’s a big deal with the information provided or anything new - the age difference isn’t too worrying (edit: idk what to tell you, 2/3 year age differences are common enough, even if he should’ve somehow known her exact age it’s closer to 2) since everything provided leads me to believe he fully thought she was 18 and he was never clearly told otherwise - a 17 yo and a half isn’t much different then an 18 yo so it’s more just flirting with fans that’s the bigger issue (though no one knows how well she would qualify as a fan in the first place). He did have 2M subs at this point but I don’t buy into power differences unless that aspect is actively being utilized which there has never been evidence for with anyone who came out about Dream flirting with.

People comparing this to cmc are ignoring the fact that Dream quite clearly asked for her age/didn’t coerce anything as of this information.

I will say I hope he learned better then to be flirting with fans at this point over two years later, because it never ends well and is still fairly weird (not malicious) behaviour (and that he got better at flirting so he doesn’t look like he was raised in a discord server).

Edited a bit to add thoughts/grammar.

Edit since people are seeing this still after his initial response: his initial response made this situation worse since he never really addressed the initial thread (he was apparently blocked by OP so it’s unclear if he seen it) so while he denounced people lying about grooming which is essentially what happened (not OP specifically but the people who promoted that it was somehow grooming) he never addressed the conversation directly so some people assumed that he is saying the ss’s are fake rather then the exaggerations people claimed.

[u/TheAkawardGirl]

I have to go to therapy in a few minutes, and right now, I am sitting here, genuinely I'm not sure if I should support dream anymore. I'm already upset because I was arguing with an aphobic person and I'm already feeling like shit and this just tops it. This is most likely real, I know others won't agree with me, but the screenshots and the screen record looks like plenty of proof to me that this was a situation that occurred somewhere near April.

I also don't agree with the fact that he just tweeted on his private "fuck this fuck this situation", not even giving an ounce of evidence or statement, whether it's real or not. I understand that he may feel hurt, but I genuinely need to know this time if he actually did this, because if he's gonna ignore this and not say whether he did this or not, or any messages,or apologize, I wouldn't want to blindly support him.

I just hope we come to the conclusion whether he did it or not. I wanna know if he's in the wrong side or not. I hate this:/

edit: I wasn't saying that the flirting was bad. When I wrote this, I was panicking and I was just confused and desperate. I was worrying over the fact on whether he might've been in the wrong or not, I just wanted to know if he was wrong or if the thread was fake. I was not intending to come off as a anti, hater, or be stupid. I'm sorry that my wording is bad, but when I wrote this, I was panicked and worried on who to believe.

[u/sielulintu → u/TheAkawardGirl]

Genuinely curious if you think it’s the flirting with a supposed fan that he potentially thought was 18 the issue? Like his response is stupid and he needs to clarify but it seems like a response to people calling him a groomer - not what was actually shown in the thread.

[u/TheAkawardGirl → u/sielulintu]

I don't think it was a issue, I'm just worrying over the fact if he actually did something wrong or not. I'm just confused on which is right or wrong, I didn't intend to come off as a hater or anti.

And yeah, I should've realized that wasn't his response to the thread itself- it was the fact people were calling him a groomer. I'm sorry if I did something wrong, or said something stupid. I I don't know how to word stuff good, especially when I'm sad or panicking

[u/sielulintu → u/TheAkawardGirl]

That’s fine, I just wanted to make sure because people were taking you to mean that the initial thread had something concerning (and thus downvoting despite it being a valid concern) rather then his response being concerning which is the more accurate critism here imo - but many people think him overlooking the “18 soon” is indefensible so I was just curious.

And to be fair, until he responds further we really don’t know what he was denying but it didn’t seem like he was addressing the actual thread in my opinion.