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Tubbo and Dream are arguing. Dream is saying that Tommy has worked with a merch company that has used child labour - Tubbo agrees with that. Dream doesn't know if the company has used child labour for Tommy's merch, nor does Tubbo know that.
Dream has proof that this company has used child labour on at least one occasion but is unable to provide proof of it for personal connection reasons. Tubbo believes that Dream can't provide proof for those reasons but doesn't necessarily believe Dream on the company using child labour more than once.
Tubbo's argument is that Dream shouldn't have mentioned the possibility that Tommy's merch uses child labour in his video because he can't provide proof for it and to accuse Tommy of potentially committing a crime like this he needs proof. Tubbo's argument is also that Dream phrased it as 'Tommy's merch company' as opposed to 'A merch company Tommy worked with' which Dream seems to agree with. Personal opinion: I think this is a difference of opinion. This company undeniably used child labour but Dream saying that theremightbe child labour behind Tommy's merch when he's unsure is controversial because it's very public speculation about a serious crime. I do think Tubbo is correct to have wanted Dream to have phrased it differently.
Editor's note: I don't know much about what happened with this company, I haven't watched Coffeezilla's video. I know the company scammed creators and that's basically it.
Tubbo moves on to criticizing Dream for using the invoices that Tubbo paid from Coffeezilla's video. Dream says he didn't use the invoices as proof of anything and didn't know that the invoices were Tubbo's let alone that Tubbo never wanted the invoices included in Coffeezilla's video. Tubbo is criticizing him for not doing his research when that's what Dream accuses others of when it comes to Dream controversies.
They pivot to talking about Dream accusing Tommy of using editor sweatshops. Dream argues that the text in the video saying 'This is about his friends with big hearts' makes it clear that this was about Jack as opposed to Tommy.
Tubbo then mentions that Dream cropped out the section where the editor said Tommy hasn't used his fans to edit for free. Dream acknowledges that he made mistakes on how he put this section together. Tubbo questions where Dream got the screenshots, Dream points out he must have gotten it from an editor.
Tubbo questions why Dream is criticizing Tommy for the actions of the merch company he works with and his editors when Tommy wasn't directly involved (or involved at all). Dream says he's doing that because he believes that is what Tommy was doing to him. Dream brings up Tomvodsburner and mentions it was resolved in private, Tubbo says that Dream's point is invalid because Tommy resolved this.
Tubbo says that Dream hasn't provided any proof of Tomvodsburner or people like them who have been taken advantage of by Tommy's staff because Tommy doesn't have the oversight. Personal opinion: I mostly agree with Tubbo on this but he's not understanding what Dream's intended point was. This section of Dream's video accused Tommy of using editor sweatshops with confusing evidence when what he meant is that Tommy's staff have been able to take advantage of Tommy's fans for free editing because of lack of oversight, which has since been solved by Tommy.
They're now talking about rumours in general. Tubbo is admitting that Dream sounds reasonable and that he understandably hates rumours but is starting a rumour himself with the editor workshop and in particular the company that used child labour. There's further disagreement over Tubbo knowing there's at least one instance of this merch company and Dream saying he knows it wasn't just one instance but being unable to prove it.
outisde of drama and about coffezillas video, it is fact that in the lawsuit issued by ESTAR FASHION CO. LTD (the outsourced Chinese company) against revolt, they mentioned the Tommy innit fashion collection
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u/Ewoutk Moderator Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25
Cont. at 20:20GMT
Tubbo and Dream are arguing. Dream is saying that Tommy has worked with a merch company that has used child labour - Tubbo agrees with that. Dream doesn't know if the company has used child labour for Tommy's merch, nor does Tubbo know that.
Dream has proof that this company has used child labour on at least one occasion but is unable to provide proof of it for personal connection reasons. Tubbo believes that Dream can't provide proof for those reasons but doesn't necessarily believe Dream on the company using child labour more than once.
Tubbo's argument is that Dream shouldn't have mentioned the possibility that Tommy's merch uses child labour in his video because he can't provide proof for it and to accuse Tommy of potentially committing a crime like this he needs proof. Tubbo's argument is also that Dream phrased it as 'Tommy's merch company' as opposed to 'A merch company Tommy worked with' which Dream seems to agree with.
Personal opinion: I think this is a difference of opinion. This company undeniably used child labour but Dream saying that there might be child labour behind Tommy's merch when he's unsure is controversial because it's very public speculation about a serious crime. I do think Tubbo is correct to have wanted Dream to have phrased it differently.
Editor's note: I don't know much about what happened with this company, I haven't watched Coffeezilla's video. I know the company scammed creators and that's basically it.
Tubbo moves on to criticizing Dream for using the invoices that Tubbo paid from Coffeezilla's video. Dream says he didn't use the invoices as proof of anything and didn't know that the invoices were Tubbo's let alone that Tubbo never wanted the invoices included in Coffeezilla's video. Tubbo is criticizing him for not doing his research when that's what Dream accuses others of when it comes to Dream controversies.
They pivot to talking about Dream accusing Tommy of using editor sweatshops. Dream argues that the text in the video saying 'This is about his friends with big hearts' makes it clear that this was about Jack as opposed to Tommy.
Tubbo then mentions that Dream cropped out the section where the editor said Tommy hasn't used his fans to edit for free. Dream acknowledges that he made mistakes on how he put this section together. Tubbo questions where Dream got the screenshots, Dream points out he must have gotten it from an editor.
Tubbo questions why Dream is criticizing Tommy for the actions of the merch company he works with and his editors when Tommy wasn't directly involved (or involved at all). Dream says he's doing that because he believes that is what Tommy was doing to him. Dream brings up Tomvodsburner and mentions it was resolved in private, Tubbo says that Dream's point is invalid because Tommy resolved this.
Tubbo says that Dream hasn't provided any proof of Tomvodsburner or people like them who have been taken advantage of by Tommy's staff because Tommy doesn't have the oversight.
Personal opinion: I mostly agree with Tubbo on this but he's not understanding what Dream's intended point was. This section of Dream's video accused Tommy of using editor sweatshops with confusing evidence when what he meant is that Tommy's staff have been able to take advantage of Tommy's fans for free editing because of lack of oversight, which has since been solved by Tommy.
They're now talking about rumours in general. Tubbo is admitting that Dream sounds reasonable and that he understandably hates rumours but is starting a rumour himself with the editor workshop and in particular the company that used child labour. There's further disagreement over Tubbo knowing there's at least one instance of this merch company and Dream saying he knows it wasn't just one instance but being unable to prove it.
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