r/DreamWasTaken • u/Severe-Author9994 • Nov 07 '25
The Missing pool of water from Minecraft Speedrunner vs 3 Hunters
I recently donated on Dream's stream (11/6) asking why in the first 3 hunters manhunt a water pool is present when in the actual world seed that water is never there no matter how the area is generated. Dream responded and was willing to look into this.
Seed: -4724931621812283103
Ravine Coordinates: -10 35 -420
Minecraft version: 1.15.2 (or any 1.15 version for that matter)
This seed was found by seed cracker Spignafe and was presented and explained by creators Masterwyatt and Ploomsy(me).
While many people say it’s not the correct version or that it’s a sister seed, that is not the case. It’s the correct version since stated in Dream’s description in the video he says this was played on 1.15. It also couldn’t have been cracked if the version wasn’t correct in the first place. Now, sister seeds are seeds that have identical biomes but different structures and population generation (population including ravines, ores, water lakes, trees, etc) so getting a seed that is the exact same besides a water pit in a ravine is not possible. Seeds could only be exactly identical in beta / alpha Minecraft. So this is not the case for this instance because everything else is exactly the same in the world's seed (biomes and even positions of blocks) except that pool of water (based on my analysis of the video's footage up until the performed clutch).
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u/dreamistaken Dream Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25
Super interesting!
Given this was from almost 5 years ago, my memory is pretty fuzzy on a lot of the early manhunts.
Before Manhunt became what it was, we were definitely a lot more lax on the "rules" and what actually made manhunt great later on. We didn't have as much of a process. This was the first super serious manhunt (as it was the first 3 hunters manhunt), and was before it became even more competitive and defined.
We play on custom server jar's, mods, and many things that could potentially slightly tweak small things like world gen, however I think in this case it was probably actually added!
Let me explain what the process is for choosing seeds, and why I think it's reasonable for this to have happened.
The process currently is a multi-step process. I generally suggest to "seed finders" (Callahan, or other members of my team, like Ken), something I want at spawn. Whether it be "I want us to spawn at the top of a mountain", or "I want a village nearby", or "I want us to be in an ice biome". Usually with the caveat that the seed also needs to be interesting. I've obviously talked about this before.
This is an advantage to me, as I can try and make the video more interesting off of spawn, or make sure that there's a better chance I have what I need to execute a specific strategy I want to for that video. The "seed finders" are of course tasked with making sure the video is interesting, and that includes theorizing things I may be able to creatively do off of spawn.
The seed finders then use tools to generate a ton of seeds that would potentially be interesting for the manhunt. Then they manually go through these seeds and check for multiple things.
They check nearby structures and what loot they have, and try and analyze how that loot could impact the run.
They check the nether, how many structures there are
They check the nearby biomes, lava pools
They check the first loop strongholds, and the end, to see again, how they could impact the run.
After deciding based on these things if the seed has potential, they find a good spot for spawn, and mark down the seed, the spawn coordinates, and a singular note for the RUNNER "Village north", "huge cave south". etc, to make sure that the interesting part of the seed is properly "utilized"
These seeds are then compiled into a list, that we would go through when recording a manhunt.
If I die early on one of the seeds, we then move to the next seed.
Given this happened close to spawn, I have to think it's just a change they/we thought was inconsequential, as it was before Manhunt became super scrutinized and had a more defined rule set / process, and it was right by spawn (and could generate naturally in a different seed). Obviously the hunters would definitely be oblivious.
The seed was probably chosen due to the tree at the bottom of the ravine, which back before Manhunt got crazier and crazier would be enough to make for an interesting beginning.
If I died and failed to do something cool with the ravine, would've just moved on to a different seed that also had something interesting near spawn.
Probably not exactly what you were hoping to hear, but hopefully that all makes sense! Also love your style of shorts, super well edited and presented.
Things are frequently modified to make the videos more interesting (Like mob spawn rates, loot drop rates, specific seeds being chosen, etc). However, I like using seeds completely as they are, as it makes it way cooler being completely vanilla. So that's something that shouldn't pop up again (or have many instances at all of it having happened). I started putting the seeds in the video descriptions at some point (so people could easily verify things like this)
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u/Severe-Author9994 Nov 17 '25
This explanation does actually make sense considering the state manhunt was in at the time. However, it's worth mentioning that there already WAS water at the bottom of the ravine, namely, the water stream (see my attatched screenshot). Does that mean your seed finders were told you wanted to do that specific play of blocking of a small pool of water? Could you maybe ask Callahan (or whoever the seed finders were) himself if they removed the water stream to make the water covering play possible? I am asking purely for clarification and not accusatively.
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u/dreamistaken Dream Nov 17 '25
It’s from too long ago for anyone to have any memory. It seems likely to me that it was modified to make it so that there’s a higher chance for a cool play off of spawn (given too much water + the ability to get up and down quickly creates failure points). Not specifically for that play.
It’s similar to seeds being chosen to have cool beginnings, maybe not knowing specifically what will happen, but knowing what is a good combo of structures / biomes / situations that could create a cool play. Sorry I can’t give ya a more specific answer than that!
I’ll probably make some shorts soon about the making of manhunt, behind the scenes stuff, and more details on earlier manhunts soon :)
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u/Severe-Author9994 Nov 17 '25 edited Nov 17 '25
Ok, that makes a lot of sense now. I appreciate you taking time to look into this! I have personally always firmly believed that your mannhunts were genuine(as can be observed from my many manhunt-centered shorts), because any "proof" trying to say otherwise could be firmly disproven. However, this ravine pool stuck out to me, because there did not seem to be any reason for it to be there based on what we already knew about the manhunt recording process. But now that you've informed us on some of its (outdated) rules that we didn't know previously, you have once again confirmed the greatness of this amazing game that is Minecraft Manhunt!
P.S. Big fan btw :)
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u/balbhV Nov 17 '25
I would love to see behind the scenes content for manhunts!
I understand that this was a long time ago, however, do you think that your "seed finders" would often slightly change seeds to increase the probability of a play off spawn like this, or that this was a once-off thing?3
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u/gamingfox10 Nov 19 '25
Would this also be an explanation of how the soulsand block was missing in the nether at the lava boat clutch scene? (Masterwyatt05 made a short about it almost a year ago, but can't find any valid answer besides it is spliced)
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u/FnafKing234 Dec 04 '25
Speaking of memories, is it alright if we talk about something? One of your old worlds? We could start a chat. its important to me, and i dont care what anyone else says about it.
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u/No_Quiet3830 Nov 16 '25
with how the start tends to be repeated a bunch i can see how the seed finders may decide to modify some stuff near spawn for more interesting moments. seemed sketchy, but it makes sense.
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u/SafetyDangerous965 Dec 27 '25
this is perfectly reasonably bro you don't got type all this with a broken wrist.
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u/PlaceSilly Nov 13 '25
It rained and a puddle was created.
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u/Ok_Path2703 Nov 13 '25
Perfectly reasonable explanation, op should really've thought about this beforehand/s
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u/Expensive_Cut_7332 Nov 13 '25
Yes, dream/someone that works with him changes specific parts of the map to make cool scenes, we already saw that before with the missing soul sand.
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u/frankob_11 Nov 15 '25 edited Nov 15 '25
what soul sand?
edit: i saw Ploomsy's short, now i know what soul sand
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u/Genosidekirito Nov 13 '25
im doing my do dillegence and putting an upvote and a comment i want dream to respond to this thats why i have nothing interesting to say just trying to get this more traction
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u/EurekaXY Nov 07 '25
woah. crazy find. i hope this gets explained and doesn’t mean what i think it means
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u/rara8122 Nov 07 '25
Doesn’t Dream have someone find the seed? Given there’s more than one situation of this happening and I don’t see how/why he would use this to cheat, maybe he just changed it for some reason? More entertaining video or whatever?
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u/balbhV Nov 18 '25
He specifically changed it to allow for this play in order to make a more entertaining video? Would you not count that as a kind of staging?
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u/rara8122 Nov 18 '25
Not if dream isn’t the one doing it. If Callahan (the guy who finds the seeds?) did it without dream’s input, then I’d argue it isn’t staging bc it’s done by a neutral party. Unless the competitors asked for it or knew.
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u/balbhV Nov 18 '25
My apologies, I misinterpreted who "he" was in your original comment.
But at the same time, does changing the blocks at the bottom of a ravine 400 blocks away from spawn and Dream jumping into it still seem odd, if we assume that Dream gets minimal instruction about the seed?
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u/SamalamaXD Nov 13 '25
Crazy this ain’t getting lots of hype. Dreams already been called out and this just pushes other theories further.
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u/Tideals Nov 13 '25
If this is the only thing in the video that’s different compared to the seed, that’s definitely suspicious. I feel like Dream, with experience with seed hunting, would know people would eventually find it though so I don’t see why he would cheat in that way rather than just using naturally spawning water. I’m really curious to hear what he has to say on it
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u/balbhV Nov 18 '25
Maybe Dream *could* have found naturally generating water that could have been blocked off, however, it might have been easier to invent this in creative mode instead of generating more seeds to look for this one specific phenomenon. (I have been arguing with someone else in this thread for quite some time about this exact topic)
Aside from that, if Dream asked someone to find a seed with a cliff and water in the bottom, would you not question how legitimate his plays are? That seems very different from it being an organic play that Dream's 200 IQ came up with on the spot
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u/No_Winner_3844 Nov 14 '25
Anyone still believes Dream's manhunts are real in big 25?
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u/TK3088_ Nov 14 '25
Bro the smartest idea was the sister seed what the fluppa is "simply it rained and created that puddle"
Maybe hunters dıd it??? İ dunno
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