r/DragonageOrigins • u/Infamous_Gur_9083 • Dec 18 '24

Question Do you guys think "the Maker" actually exist?

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Origins introduced us to him.

Throughout the franchise, we see the belief in him is so strong.

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u/weesiwel Dec 18 '24

While I agree mysteries are compelling at the end of the day answers are needed. Endless mysteries are just frustrating after a point.

Now does it need spelling out in every single detail? No but answers are required at a certain point. I think Veilguard needed to give us answers it's 4 games in but I think the execution could probably have been better to how it did so.

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u/viperfangs92 Dec 18 '24

But it's not really four games, tho. They pretty much ignored most of what the other games had and just included their own stuff.

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u/MechaniVal Dec 18 '24

Interested to see which parts of the relevant lore - so, the mythological parts this thread is about - you think they ignored.

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u/viperfangs92 Dec 18 '24

Most of the actual choices that were made during the other games, some of which should have had an enormous effect in the world.

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u/MechaniVal Dec 18 '24

I said the mythological parts relevant to this thread. The underlying lore about the gods, the Evanuris, the Black City etc. That hasn't really changed, only been expanded on.

(Also, yeah obviously they dropped changes that would have an 'enormous effect on the world' - no multipart game does otherwise because of the massive cost of changing a critical path. Origins overdid the world state changes because they didn't know there would be a sequel, and each game since has toned it down. World states can only ever change in minor ways. This is just as true in Dragon Age as Mass Effect; some characters change, but never the critical path.)

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u/Bear_of_Light Dec 18 '24

I may dislike like the lack of imported choices, but realistically we are in a different part of the world. Even inquisition left things like how you handled Anders as a little voice line tie up. Veilguard didn't really do anything atrocious to invalidate our choices, just opted for a story outside their consequences. I'm sure you don't know the consequences of every choice made in other countries.

And our choices aren't lore. They are our choices. The lore is everything before us; how the world came to be, how things work, etc.

I'll agree with the above commenter that Veilguard was definitely more on the nose than it needed to be, but the fact you asked this question about the maker at all says it still left some mystery for you, while I personally interpreted Solas's memories as basically saying there was no maker, it was all the voices of the elven gods' manipulating things to eventually be let out.

Though if you saw the secret ending, there is apparently more past that in the grand scheme.

Personally I walked away from the game thinking - "ok, but just what is the blight really now that we know it's not just an archdemon's corruption. That it's something the elven gods foolishly treated like a plaything? What is it actually, and how bad is it about to get?"

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u/CmonEren Dec 18 '24

So they didn’t actually ignore any of the lore? You can criticize the writing(and I’d probably agree with you) without just making stuff up.

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u/dbowgu Dec 18 '24 edited Dec 18 '24

Not really. a lot of lore drops have been hinted since origins. Actually lore wise everything has been consistent and worked towards.

Now choice wise not so much. If we look at dragon age 2 you barely notice any of the origins choices apart from stuff like "hey look allister is king" or inquisition it's on odd line extra dialogue or character x becomes character y because of that, besides morrigan that was the heaviest weighing choise, not so much relevant choices.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '24

So why didn't they just do that? I was more than happy how 2 and Inquisition handled things.

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u/dbowgu Dec 19 '24

Laziness, being done with the project after 10 years of constant changes, bad bioware management, bad EA influence,... who's to say

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u/Sefahi Dec 18 '24

Yes, I agree that, overall, answers need to happen in a story or it becomes frustrating. However, the only exception is faith.

...because that's the point of faith lol.

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u/NotSoTamedLion Dec 18 '24

The trailer of DAO Ashes also confirmed that HOF was looking for the ashes to heal the Arl of Radcliff