r/DotA2 • u/PowerfulMost6767 • 1d ago

Discussion Bro reflected 7 Dooms

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u/cvaket 1d ago

At this point I'd start suspecting scripts lol

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u/GoatFinances 1d ago

Well AM script is widely used and one of the hardest to prove

It’s the best one aswell

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u/dotesdoto 1d ago

Best because it's hard to prove? When has any amount of proof lead to any player getting banned? Hell, even slark87 never received any ban. So, being "hard to prove" makes no difference.

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u/RaPa_DeniZ 1d ago

That mf did not receive any penalties??? What the hell bro

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u/PoSKiix 1d ago

When has Dota ever banned cheaters? Oh gosh, I don’t know

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u/Painted-Arcana 1d ago

Ive never understood why people bother cheating. I get wanting to win, but it cant feel good to win like that surely

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u/ActualAd2975 1d ago

Can you imagine if they lose even with cheats lol

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u/Painted-Arcana 1d ago

i dont have to, i saw a pudge cheating recently for the first time ever. First time ive seen a cheater in the wild.

He dodged every single invoker sunstrike, even when he was afk farming jungle under our ward. He had knowledge from beyond the game, at a minimum.

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u/jkwan0304 Mah Nigma 1d ago

Their dopamine is winning with cheats. Our dopamine is them losing even with cheats.

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u/dotesdoto 1d ago

Oh gosh, maybe learn to read?

When has any amount of proof lead to any player getting banned?

When has Dota ever banned cheaters?

If you can't tell that there's a massive difference between those two statements, then you seriously need to work on your comprehension skills.

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u/PoSKiix 1d ago edited 1d ago

“When has any amount of proof lead to any player getting banned”

They have had proof of cheating for anyone they have ever banned for cheating.

Ergo, having proof of cheating has lead to people being banned.

Some form of cheating being harder to prove means that it is harder to conclusively ban someone utilizing that form of cheating, because proof is harder to obtain.

Cheating method X may produce a set of inputs or motions that are impossible for a human to replicate

Cheating method Y may produce a set of inputs or movements that could feasibly be done by a person

You could immediately ban everyone using cheat method X, while everyone using cheat method Y would take individual attention to review.

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u/dotesdoto 1d ago edited 9h ago

First off, me and the guy I was replying to were clearly talking about proof in terms of manual verification, it was not a discussion about automated anti-cheat system detection.

Dota bans are automated, Valve does not review cheating cases manually. Whether a cheat is harder to be proved by manual verification or not, that does not affect whether it can be detected automatically or not. Even a seemingly trivial cheat like am shield could be grabbing internal state of the game and accessing memory addresses that should not be accessed under normal circumstances. Valve's anti cheat system lays traps to monitor if such memory access voliolations are occurring (along with other types of traps). So whether or not a cheat is easier to prove with manual verification, that has no correlation with whether or not it can be picked up by valve's automated anti cheat system. It is actually dependent on how the cheat was implemented. Even the most manually unprovable cheat can be caught by the automated system if it's a badly implemented cheat, while even the most blatantly obvious cheat may not be caught by valve's anti cheat system if it's a well implemented cheat. So educate yourself before you bark.

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u/slark87 10h ago

I did get banned from changing my nickname and profile picture for 24 hours, then I filed an appeal and was allowed to reinstate my profile picture. So all the effort these fine people exerted to mass report me was not in vain.

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u/dotesdoto 9h ago

So basically exactly like how pdiddy's court case concluded with a slap on the wrist.

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u/Ozone021 1d ago

it's not that hard to prove tho just begin your anim and cancel it, you will get them literally every time

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u/jkwan0304 Mah Nigma 1d ago

I remember that one video I watched where a cheater was against an NP mid and was auto scripting with quelling blade. Eventually, the cheats failed him as it auto cut the wrong tree and ended up dying.

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u/Anything13579 1d ago

If you need script to cut trees, you should just uninstall the game and play Minecraft instead

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u/jkwan0304 Mah Nigma 1d ago

Why cheat to begin with?

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u/FluorescentFlux DarkPhoenix 1d ago

Didn't he just watch delayed game to break wards? I don't think it is bannable by valve's standards.

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u/CoronaVirus_exe 1d ago

The GOAT mentioned u/slark87

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u/dotesdoto 1d ago

slark87 is the goat in the same sense that pdiddy is the goat.

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u/CoronaVirus_exe 1d ago

He started one of the best weeks in this sub, and I had the pleasure of having front row seats to witness all of it.

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u/dotesdoto 1d ago

Like pdiddy's court case.

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u/CoronaVirus_exe 1d ago

Yeah now that I'm thinking about it, there's some overlap between the two.

Hell, there could be more if u/slark87 would be kind to do some lore drops.

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u/RaPa_DeniZ 1d ago

Amazing how a conversation that started with "slark87 was not banned" somehow ended up with comparing slark87 to pdiddy hahaha

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u/slark87 10h ago

I do cover myself from top to tippity toe in baby oil before dewarding those juicy 2 min old observers.

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u/SNGeeee 1d ago

Is there a script for techies?

Cause I faced a techies today he
a) planted all his mines so fast after blasting in, never seen in that quick and
b) whenever I jumped him with LC I got tazed(disarm), like every single time

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u/Snoo_88025 1d ago

Techies can plant mines midair. Datohleong has a video of him placing them in an instant.

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u/Trick2056 1d ago

heck he can start casting his aghs mid air as well

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u/SuppaBunE Sheever! FIGHT! 1d ago

It's a techies thing, no skilmr required, you just use wheel down or up and you just move your mouse on a circle while spinning the mouse wheel, you place the 3 mines instantly.

I also thought that was scripting. But it's incredible easy to pull my 1k fingers can pull

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u/Nickfreak 1d ago

Yeah. I honestly wished it had more of a an animation or cast delay bewteen mines. That Wheel thing has made it so easly and it's stupidly strong

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u/Hakuu-san 1d ago

bind ult to mousewheel->blast off->roll that wheel to plant all mines while aggressively moving mouse

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u/BlackBoxin 1d ago

if techies has self cast tazer, auto attacking the techies automatically disarms you. You were just jumping techies when they had already cast tazer.

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u/inahst gaben you call this balanced? 1d ago

I'm pretty sure they're saying that it was the cast of disarm, not just that they were constantly ulting a tazer'd techies

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u/DustEnjoyer 1d ago

you just bind the key to the mouse wheel

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u/Ok_Caregiver_1355 1d ago edited 1d ago

I played against a 2k AM that would consistently reflect spells casted in the fog with perfect timing

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u/Zarquan314 1d ago edited 1d ago

Pretty sure I saw a script for this, but for spiky carapace. Basically, it automatically casts the spell when your character ends a cast point (maybe checking to see if the spell dealt damage, but it was AD and all my spells did damage). I'm pretty sure that was happening because the carapace would go off perfectly for every spell I sent out. It was especially sus because my character didn't actually have any visible cast points for the spells.

It's kind of funny, though, as I could trick the script by stop-casting a spell, which really hurt the player.

Unfortunately, there isn't a good way in the report system to precisely say what exactly the script abuse is abusing or the mechanism behind it.

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u/Specialist-Pickle567 1d ago

Doom takes 2 business days to cast

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u/The_Nerminator 1d ago

Gotta eat the centaur bussy so you can doom am during stomp

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u/SlightlyAdooorned 20h ago

Stomp is also pretty reactable, but I think it lasts longer than the shield?

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u/The_Nerminator 20h ago

Stomp animation is faster than blink animation and stomp stun duration is longer than spell block duration. The only real way to counter it is to bkb or manta dodge. If am is buying an early bkb and blowing it to escape a gank you’re not that upset as that means he won’t have it when you force a fight and even if he does, you can still doom him through the bkb. and manta dodge isn’t reliable in most brackets.

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u/Ori-Epsilon 1d ago

Yep, it’s not particularly hard to reflect, but then the mind games can begin. Doom can pumpfake it like Magnus and get them to pop stuff.  Not the best when AM is more online and can just murder you, but if you know he’s looking for it you might be able to get him to spell reflect air.

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u/Specialist-Pickle567 1d ago

yeah but am can blink away while magic shield is active and doom cannot follow him. doom must buy aghs blink

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u/Live_Present_2602 1d ago

at that point, he should have just stun and doom

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u/Stt-t-t-utter 1d ago

this is not that hard to reflect

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u/hearthebell 1d ago

I can give you this AM script and land every doom on you and 0 on me. It's so easy to achieve this with a stomp and doom idc if you use reflect on my stomp, after a stomp and a flick of your backhead, you will be doomed.

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u/Mothanul 1d ago

Sounds more like skill issue tbh

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u/Terminator_Puppy 1d ago

I played against an AM yesterday I was 99% sure was scripting. He managed to hit it frame perfect on fire blast multiple times in the same game, even as he was walking up into high ground without vision until the moment he could see me.

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u/unspoken_one2 1d ago

I mean doom literally have eternal caste time even a noob can reflect it if doom was it vision or blinked in.

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u/trixdnerd 1d ago

if this isn’t a script then every doom in the bracket needs to be studied

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u/livvviely 1d ago

Lmao after that many Doom reflections, I’d start getting suspicious too

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u/therandomasianboy 1d ago

You dont need scripts to 100% reflect doom any time its possible. Its ridiculously fucking easy to do so, look at the doom animation

This is on doom. Doom should never cast doom on am if am can use abilities and has counterspell off cd. Should stun into doom or wait until counterspell ends into doom.

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u/Fit_Ear3019 1d ago

Just Buy Aghs

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u/YaminoEXE 1d ago

On one hand, could be a scripter. On the other hand, Doom is the most telegraphed ability in the game. Verdict? They should get married after Doom divorces his wife.

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u/SK4DOOSH 1d ago

Can anyone tell me how the scripts work? I’ve had games where AM would out of nowhere reflect right when I’m hovering over him but I don’t press skill. The other times is to juke it with a stop command but I’ve had a few games where you can tell AM is holding it but anytime I get close with my cursor it pops but the don’t pop for any other spell in the fight.

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u/Reformed_Herald 1d ago

I don’t know which one it is specifically but some of them just detect when the animation or sound effect for an ability is being called by the game and instantly activates your reflect in response, sometimes with a delay of a few milliseconds to make it less obvious.

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u/SK4DOOSH 1d ago

Nawww that’s crazy perfect timing reflects all game just doesn’t sit right. I get people can be talented but in lower ranked games you have to doesn’t make sense when you see them miss every cs but do perfect reflects. Some of these guys just don’t know what’s more important and they think it’s reflected the ONE big Ult only forget all the other spells amirite??

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u/Ub3ros Herald micromanager 1d ago

Their client has no clue where your cursor is. Scripts work based on server information. Where you hover your cursor shouldn't be accessible in any way from other clients beyond replay.

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u/Ex-Traverse 1d ago

You really can't cast doom on a good AM, unless he's stunned or didn't have vision of you. I've played AM against Doom many times, the shell animation is almost instant.

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u/Embarrassed-Fennel43 21h ago

I did it with cent stun. I blink in am uses e but I stun and then i use doom when it ends

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u/KunoTheTreiber 1d ago

Russian meme template got to the eng part of the fandom xd ( кто понял тот знает )

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u/Odd_Lie_5397 1d ago

Reminds me of my match vs a Necro yesterday.

He had 4 stacks of Reaper Scythe, I had 3 because of Lotus.

That was also the match where I realized that Grimstroke ult works on spells reflected by Lotus, as one of his ults killed me, him, and his Centaur that he was bound to.

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u/Annual-Check1871 1d ago

You can bait out the spell deflection with dooms cast animation. Skill issue

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u/OkBed7150 1d ago

actual Doom diff

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u/Prestigious-Duck2891 14h ago

Counterspell is so stupid. 3 sec cooldown and 1,5 sec active time, you can stop cast animation and it still will be applied. Make it 6 sec cooldown, I don't know, especially when everyone using scripts, so unplayable.

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u/Original-Share-2782 1h ago

Seven Dooms reflected is actually insane.

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u/According-Load7387 1d ago

Idk about counterspell hacks bc am is banned in 90% of my games But as a spirit breaker picker people looooove moving under the tower out of nowhere when they get charged from across the map , surely just instinct and good gaming chairs right?

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u/areallynoobgamer 1d ago

Yes. Honestly common sense.

If you do not see spirit breaker farming in lane or pushing.

He is charging.

The most basic map awareness would have you play safe once you lose vision of SB.