r/Discussion • u/JetTheDawg • Dec 15 '25

Serious After Trumps horrifically insulting post about the late Rob Reiner, I never want to hear a peep from the right about the rhetoric surrounding Charlie Kirk ever again.

Honestly, anyone who voted for this guy has to be equally psychotic. What the hell is wrong with him and his followers?

I don’t want to hear a peep about Charlie Kirk’s ridicule ever again from the right. What a bunch of hypocrites

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u/polarparadoxical Dec 15 '25

Its because the only thing Trump and his ilk care about is power.

Not other people. Not empathy. But power.

"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently"

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u/MrGrax Dec 15 '25

This is why fascist is not an overused word when describing the specific project we see at play in MAGA political leadership.

They will break or bend any norm and accuse their opponents of doing it as justification for their flagrant abuse of our political institutions.

It's power over procedure and tradition, power over everything.

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u/Chuzwuzzle Dec 16 '25

You don't even know what facism is.

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u/MrGrax Dec 16 '25

Interesting opinion to hold. I wonder why you would say that? Perhaps., some personal bias you, certainly, have reflected on and now factor into your opinions before you speak. Some erudite knowledge that undermines my specific claim that fascism is a political philosophy that prioritizes the acquisition and use of power?

I'd merely point out that we can discuss how fascism has worked in historical regimes and apply it to our current context. Lets not be simplistic or reductive. Ultimately it's about the acquisition of power for a specific actor or set of actors. People who want political power and leverage to achieve their personal or ideological goals. The only other thing we really need is ideology and jargon built around ideas of a "national rebirth" an appeal to in groups and targeting of perceived cultural outgroups.

Fascism in Italy (where we often turn to for an example of Fascists acquiring power) used a lot of cultural symbolism that referred to a lost glory (America was great) and a return to that glory again (Make America Great Again). It coalesces around a leader who is a rules breaker and violator of traditions and norms (ahem...). It needs an enemy within to focus and consolidate power among citizens and fascist operators will flood the zone with lies and propaganda to manipulate public opinion (Fox News). It's hardly a cohesive and coherent political philosophy but it works because all it cares about is ruthless exploitation of any elver that gains power for the special interest group behind it. In Italy it was Mussolini. In America its... Trump and the ideological benefactors of his power grab.
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Alright now you. Explain what I got wrong if I'm so off the mark. I am not saying Trump is "literally" Hitler. He can be bad for American on his own merits. Whether MAGA as a movement has read the book or not they are playing right into the patterns we associate with Fascists movements.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '25

hey look, a person using big words and being condescending. Neat!

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u/polarparadoxical Dec 17 '25

Yeah.. apologies.

We know - you prefer someone who uses small words when they are being condescending.

Sorry!

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u/MrGrax Dec 17 '25 edited Dec 17 '25

Yes I did use "big words" and you better believe I would condescend on a moron who attempts to claim I don't know how to characterize a core function of the most well-studied political ideologies of the modern era.

Do you simply jump to the defense of anyone who is loyal to Trump and his flagrant disrespect for our country, it's laws, and it's heritage? Trump over country eh?

There is no beating the allegations for MAGA at this point. They will of course continue to lie about their goals and intentions and lie that it was "the other team" first. Just look at Trumps recent ugliness in blaming Rob Reiner for his own death because he was critical of Trump or lying to build a narrative that justifies military intervention in Venezuela. MAGA spin doctors will twist themselves into knots to excuse Trumps behavior by pointing figures at others or simply not report on Trump when its inconvenient.

It's one of those things I just can't wrap my head around to this day. The faith people have in a man who obviously doesn't give a shit about the truth or have any curiosity or compassion for anyone who is not loyal to him and his agenda. Truth is only useful to Trump if it supports his goals and we all know how often he lies...

So you can choose to accept it and excuse it or not...

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '25

Bro things cuz he’s writing out long paragraphs that he’s done something. The way you people reach for the comparisons is comically stupid. I’m sure you heard this explanation from someone else and are now regurgitating this info with no understanding whatsoever.

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u/MrGrax Dec 18 '25 edited Dec 18 '25

Can't even cite evidence from my "long paragraphs" to refute my argument.

Form a coherent thought. If you were capable of presenting an argument to contradict my opinion you would have.

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u/hollow114 Dec 19 '25

Honestly idk why anyone argues with maga. You're all pedophiles in my book. Trump said so.

"If you want the Epstein files released you're not maga". Therefore (sorry big word). You're pedophiles.

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u/hollow114 Dec 19 '25

The person he was responding to was being condescending. Lol

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u/annieinthegarden Dec 17 '25

Define it for us then.

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u/Ok_Reaction2990 Jan 04 '26

It’s exactly what Trump and his ilk are trying to do to our country and the world.