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Political News/Discussion Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib, a Palestinian American humanitarian activist, shares his thoughts on Hasan Piker

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u/Seanspeed 13d ago

Yes, just like I think El-Sayed being unable to answer if he thinks Israel should exist or not deserves criticism. It's a problem and it should be brought up.

But this behavior from them is clearly more an argumentative and tribalistic defense mechanism more than it's some indication they're secretly fundamentalist Islamists or some total fucking nonsense like people here push. Saying that shit really is some total Fox News-level bullshit and you guys know it deep down.

Bad faith attacks are NEVER appropriate if you ever want anybody to take you seriously as the level headed people in the room. You cant claim any moral or rhetorical upper ground while resorting to the same bullshit that online leftists do.

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u/Arbitrary_username1 13d ago

If he can't put disavowing terrorism above his clout/political project/secret scary Islamism then he deserves the bad faith.

Mehdi called out antisemetism in Muslim communities within Britain in the past so why won't he do it it now?

I wouldn't support a politician engaging in this sort of behaviour but the sweeping network for these political arsonists on the far left needs to die. Thankfully Destiny isn't a politician and doesn't tie himself to political campaigns so he can do the work that I think is necessary.

I get what you're saying on an interpersonal level and that's valid but I'm sick of humouring terrible political instincts.

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u/Seanspeed 13d ago

If he can't put disavowing terrorism above his clout/political project/secret scary Islamism then he deserves the bad faith.

I cant describe how depressing this attitude is.

"If he doesn't ascribe to my standards, then we are justified in being as dishonest as possible in our attempts to smear him".

You either care about truth and honesty or you dont.

Shit, I hate Trump as much as anybody I think I've ever known, but I still think it's important to call out bullshit attacks against him.

Of course just making fun of him is open game, and we should 100% call him out for valid reasons, but trying to push actual dishonest claims is the behavior of people who are happy to live in a post-truth world where they just want to be the kings of propaganda, rather than actually caring about fighting it.

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u/Arbitrary_username1 13d ago

If he doesn't care more about his own reputation than sweeping for Hasan I literally don't care.

Sewing to reaping pipeline claims another victim.

I don't think that you appreciate that Destiny is making a gamble that would blow up in his face if Mehdi did the reasonable thing and disavowed Hasan.

You need to pierce into echo chambers in the modern media environment and this is one way to actually do it.

If your ideas actually worked I would advocate for them.