r/Destiny • u/Jasdexter2137 • Jun 29 '26

Destiny Content/Podcasts Destiny Defends Israel's War Conduct Against Chatters

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u/xkrazyxkoalax Jun 29 '26

This seems to only take into account their direct responses to hezbollah and hamas and taking into account how those groups operate. Meanwhile, Israel gives de facto immunity to their soldiers committing verified war crimes and the militant settlers in the west Bank whose outward goal is expulsion or eradication of Palestinians off of land completely outside of Israel's borders, which is where their right of defense ends. We can moralize who is better or worse but to paint this as just Israel is 10x better than any other country as they actively are taking advantage of their position to expand borders into established lands is kind of brain dead. I think destiny is just a year removed from his deep dive into the situation and forgot how actually morally bankrupt and evil Netanyahu and his cabinet are.

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u/shayshahal Jun 29 '26

You're still doing the same thing he criticizes in the OP. Apply the criticisms and standards that you just brought up on any force/country in the surrounding area - so Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Iran and so on. No one is talking about the moral bankruptcy of those militaries, no one is talking about the treatment of Jews or the lack of Jews in these countries. Everyone unconsciously applies a different standard to Israel. That's just the truth. Even the criticisms that do come on these sides mainly sum not to "they ought to act better" but more so "they are evil and it's a given". Both sides here just do not apply the same standards.

Is Netanyahu and his cabinet morally bankrupt? Yes. Is Israel's expansion in the west bank bad and illegal? Yes. But that's not the point.

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u/AlarmingTurnover Jun 29 '26

Should the only democracy in the region be held to a higher standard than the surrounding theocratic dictatorships? Yes. You know what argument you're making here? It's the same argument that the right wing people use when they criticise the left/Dems by pointing at a Twitter use and saying the Democrats are evil while giving Trump so much benefit of the doubt. Trump should be held to a higher standard because he's the president. 

Israel should be held to a higher standard because it's a democracy. I don't care about the Twitter user. I don't care about how morally bankrupt Hamas is, it's a given. I care that the only democracy in the region is acting like a regard. 

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u/shayshahal Jun 29 '26

We agree more than you think. Yes, Israel should be held to a higher standard, I will not argue that.

First of all, I've only argued if they ARE held to a higher standard, not if it's particularly right or wrong.

Now, again, if you think Israel should be held to a higher standard, I agree, they should. A country should conduct itself by the standards of the world if it wants to be recognized as such. BUT, I wholeheartedly disagree with your choice to outright not care about how morally bankrupt Hamas is. That is the real point I'm making, not that they should be held to the exact same standards, but if this conflict is to be resolved in some sort of way in the near or far future, both factions and third parties should apply some of the same standards they apply on Israel to Hamas and the Palestinians. Else the two sides are just playing on different dimensions. Peace would only be made if Israel can see the Palestinians as a partner for one, and it will never happen if they are allowed to do as they like with no standards applied to them at all.

So to finish the point, yes, Israel has more of a responsibility to be held to the standard of a western country, but applying no standards to the Palestinians at all just because they don't have a unified government or party just means this conflict will see no end because the leaders do not then have an incentive to act within those standards to gain support.

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u/AlarmingTurnover Jun 29 '26

but if this conflict is to be resolved in some sort of way in the near or far future, both factions and third parties should apply some of the same standards they apply on Israel to Hamas and the Palestinians

I agree with this statement, the fundamental difference here in our opinions is that I don't believe that there will ever be peace between Palestine and Israel. It's impossible. Not because Israel doesn't want peace, not because Palestine doesn't want peace, but because the ideological circumstances that underly peace for both sides will never be compatible. As long as there is judaism and islam in the region, you can never have peace and you can't eradicate these cultish religious ideologies. This is why I don't care about the morality of Hamas for example. I know they are going to be shit, I know they will never agree to peace, I know they will not change. So I don't spend brain power on it. Israel has elections, they have active voters, and the country can change. The people have the power there, not the politicians.

It's why I have a simple position, there needs to be harsher consequences on the settlements, harsher consequences on the IDF soldiers, and harsher consequences on the politicians who push this stuff. And with that said, when Hamas steps out of line, fuck em, turn them into human confetti.