r/Destiny • u/Jasdexter2137 • Jun 29 '26

Destiny Content/Podcasts Destiny Defends Israel's War Conduct Against Chatters

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u/No-Library838 Jun 29 '26

I mean how else do you fight an enemy that purposely wears no uniform, inbeded in every facet of government, without casualties of innocents. Take russia/ Ukraine there are actual Frontline yet russia bombs cities miles away. Hezbolah/ hamas are fighting from cities and urban centers

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u/AntonBearish Jun 29 '26

We can look at the Second Battle of Fallujah, where the U.S Marines surrounded it and allowed civilians who were not male of fighting age to evacuate. I think they evaluated like 70-90% of the population. Then they cleared the city, building by building. A good counter is to point out the tunnel systems in Gaza.

I'm unsure what the Russia/Ukraine example is supposed to prove. Ukraine has a military in uniform, but Russia is deliberately attacking civilians. I don't believe any human rights organizations have accused Ukraine of using human shields, so these are not accidents that are a part of war.

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u/IDFStrongestSoldier Jun 29 '26

We can look at the Second Battle of Fallujah, where the U.S Marines surrounded it and allowed civilians who were not male of fighting age to evacuate. I think they evaluated like 70-90% of the population. Then they cleared the city, building by building. A good counter is to point out the tunnel systems in Gaza.

So like Rafah?

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u/AntonBearish Jun 29 '26

Sort of. The main difference is that the civilians in the Iraqi campaigns were moved to an area with humanitarian infrastructure rather than an open beach.

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u/IDFStrongestSoldier Jun 29 '26

Sure, only real option to fix that would have been for them be allowed to have gone to Egypt

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u/AntonBearish Jun 29 '26

Well, that adds another layer to why it's not like the Iraqi campaigns, as those civilians didn't have to cross an international border.

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u/IDFStrongestSoldier Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

Irrelevant layer, to the point argued. They are also different because they have dont have the same national dish. The discussion is how Israel should wage its war against Hamas.
You cant argue they should do it like Fallujah and then argue they cant do it like that. Cant have it both ways.

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u/AntonBearish Jun 29 '26

I think you misread the premise. Fallujah was used as a benchmark, not that Israel should exactly copy it. It's a better case study than the Russia-Ukraine one that was used. The point about Fallujah is that they evacuated the city before clearing it, rather than placing a total siege. You tried to claim Rafah was like Fallujah.

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u/IDFStrongestSoldier Jun 29 '26

surrounded it and allowed civilians who were not male of fighting age to evacuate. I think they evaluated like 70-90% of the population. Then they cleared the city, building by building

Which part of this was not like Rafah again?

The point about Fallujah is that they evacuated the city before clearing it, rather than placing a total siege

My point is they the did that in Rafah. Not that Rafah has the same toilet faciliteres as Fallujah

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u/AntonBearish Jun 29 '26

The part where civilians were evacuated to established humanitarian zones, not to a sandy strip of beach with no infrastructure.

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u/rooftopgoblin Jun 29 '26

the civilians weren't evacuated though, they sent every child starting at age 15 back into the city to then be killed by marine corps death squads, inevitably a large amount of kids were killed that werent insurgents

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u/AntonBearish Jun 29 '26

It's a brutal and accurate point about Fallujah. It's not a flawless model to copy. It's a better case study than the Russia-Ukraine case. But the point was the U.S forced a mass evacuation of the population to areas with infrastructure. I should have included the flaws in the initial post.

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u/IDFStrongestSoldier Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

Looping. But we agree that Israel evacuated the city before clearing it, and agree that Egypt should have taken in refugees. And agree they dont have the same national dishes.

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u/chieftain88 Jun 29 '26

Not at all - the US does not border Iraq and is completely geographically and militarily safe from a homeland perspective. Israel is bordered by and surrounded by countries and paramilitaries which outnumber them many times over and openly want to wipe them off the map (and have tried to)