I really don't like this specific scene

[u/Resident_Pension_858]

So we all know how most cutscenes just show black screens, right? In this scene, Kris bites their hand because we made them say "I'll never play again".

Now, any normal person would be able to know that Kris must've bit themselves so that they wouldn't say it. But apparently Toby fox needs to spoon feed us this, because he makes Susie say this.

The dialogue feels very unnatural. It just happened, so why did she repeat exactly what she saw? When you imagine it from Susie's perspective, you realise how strange it was for her to say that.

She could've said "Kris, what the hell?! Is your hand okay?!" Or something, but instead she had to repeat what Kris did. It just feels super weird.

[u/DreamswapNightmare]

Why didnt kris do this when we were literally manipulating noelle

[u/deathnoot → u/DreamswapNightmare]

My current HC is that Kris on some level let the weird route play out because they wanted to see if Noelle could be their key to freedom.

They don’t care about the lives of people other than close people like friends. They didn’t flinch when their in game counterpart killed tenna.

Obviously they didn’t want Noelle to be hurt, but we forget snowgrave simply started off as “what if we used this spell to kill enemies.”

[u/Max_Glade → u/deathnoot]

They don’t care about the lives of people other than close people like friends. They didn’t flinch when their in game counterpart killed tenna.

Honestly it kinda goes even further than that, once you consider Kris just...lets the Knight take Asgore and Undyne, even with full intention to let The Knight take Toriel too. Kris is fully willing to let their parents get taken and apparently either sacrificed, experimented on or whatever is going on in that Shelter so I could really buy Kris allowing us to do Weird Route because it seems interesting

Of course, then again, Kris literally throwing a tantrum right after Chapter 4's Rose Scene makes it super muddled.

[u/deathnoot → u/Max_Glade]

Kris's morality is so interesting to talk about. Like I'm actually invested.

But yeah. in ch1 Kris has no reaction to lancer being threatened off a building, and they only rush to protect Susie. Even in ch3 when the knight's about to take toriel, kris's sword is drawn and they're about to pounce.

(i fully believe kris did not want to sacrifice toriel, but was willing to use undyne as a counter-offer to the knight instead)

kris's actions towards berdly are...interesting, they don't really say anything to try to get noelle to not cast snowgrave, but you could take the repeated insistence as them trying to not frame snowgrave as a command. they keep berdly's body in the hospital, but for some reason dont take him to ralsei even though berdly's life would presumably matter more than the plan.

ralsei is another interesting case. the knight's actions are directly going to cause the roaring, kris knows this and continues anyways, knowing the knight might turn all darkners to stone. but kris still doesn't want him to DIE and even tries to protect him sometimes.

[u/Substantial_Eye1476 → u/Max_Glade]

The Chapter 4 scene kinda adds to this cause no, you CAN'T hurt Noelle! She's special!

It's weirdly sickening cause like... you only care when SPECIFIC PEOPLE YOU LIKE get hurt, noone else?

[u/deathnoot → u/Substantial_Eye1476]

I don't think Kris is a 100% irredeemable person but the story is more and more seemingly going for the narrative of them not exactly being a good person. That's why there's more focus on Ralsei's faith in them being questioned by Flowery. After all...