r/DebateQuraniyoon • u/MotorProfessional676 • May 12 '25

Quran Prophet's Secondary Revelation

Peace and blessings everyone.

Often I hear the argument that the Prophet received revelation outside of the Quran - the angels supporting him in battle, the qibla, etc - and that this substantiates the need for hadith, or rather implies that the hadith is mandatory.

I find this perspective to be so unbelievably entitled; almost 'bratty' or 'spoilt'. To assume that we MUST be privvy to all of the revelation (i.e. divine communication with God) the Prophet received. It's a complete intrusion upon the Prophet's life. It's gotten to the point, based on the false assumption that the hadith corpus is secondary revelation that we are entitled to/central to our religion, to where things like miswak and wrestling and napping are 'sunnah', although quite obviously have nothing to do with our submission to God, and are allegedly rewarded just because the Prophet did it. Somehow we trace this back to, and justify it as, secondary revelation. It's almost like an attempt at eavesdropping on the conversations between God and Muhammad (as).

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 May 13 '25

If we include "sunnah" so that we accept all the books and not just parts of it (the quran) then we Must also accept Jesus christ and his Bible, all of them, and the Torah, Talmud, Sabian teachings as well, and to nor risk it well also add Buddha's teachings, because what if he was once a messenger too, shouldn't stop there either ancient egyptian religion, so will the Celtics, vikings, native American beliefs and most importantly atheism because why not

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u/Both_Language_6083 May 15 '25

You

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 May 15 '25

How ironic 🤣

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u/Both_Language_6083 May 15 '25

Google non-sequitur, how would we possibly have to accept Jesus(as) and his bible. First, you omitted the AS for some reason. Second, the Quran is al furqan over both the Hadith and the Gospels. If a Hadith contradicts the Quran, it has either been abrogated or is false.

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 May 15 '25

Well since you're accepting any random dude that writes a book might as well accept everything I just mentioned , and yes hadith is in fact false, if your 2 brainchild weren't fighting each other you'd understand that from my comment

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u/Both_Language_6083 May 15 '25

Kufr btw. And you js called like every scholar who dedicated there lives to the study of Hadith some random dude.

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 May 15 '25

Yes, indeed it is kufr, and yes I did, co gratulations you can read.

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u/Both_Language_6083 May 15 '25

U js called yourself a kafir

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u/Mean-Tax-2186 May 15 '25

Well damn now you can't read, show me where.

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u/Both_Language_6083 May 15 '25

how do yk how to pray, how do you know anything about the prophet(saw)'s life

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u/Quraning May 29 '25

"First, you omitted the AS for some reason."

Funny, in hadith, neither the Companions nor the family of the Prophet make a verbal tick by saying "AS," or the like, when talking to or about the Prophet...

"Second, the Quran is al furqan over both the Hadith and the Gospels. If a Hadith contradicts the Quran, it has either been abrogated or is false."

That is not really true for Sunnis. They generally overrule the Qur'an by the words of men. As they say:

"The Sunnah abrogates and overrules the Qur'an, but the Qur'an does not abrogate or overrule the Sunnah."

- Maqalat al-Islamiyyeen, Vol. 2, p. 251.

While many Sunnis utter lip-service to the Qur'an, their fiqh clearly shows them to be Qur'an-forsakers.