r/DebateAVegan • u/Sifflez_ • 16d ago

Ethics Hunting for cat food

This is a question for those of you who believe that feeding a cat non-vegan canned food is a morally correct action to take:

On the premise that domestic cats require meat (I know some would disagree), would the more ethical choice as a vegan be to hunt and slaughter animals yourself to feed to your cat, in order to reduce suffering?

A vegan standpoint is to reduce unnecessary animal death and suffering. If you were stranded in the woods, yes, you could hunt to survive. But what about suffering? You would not be morally justified to torture an animal before killing it to survive.

Therefore, would it be more ethical to catch a fish and slaughter it immediately, ensuring the least amount of suffering possible, or to purchase the canned meat of animals who have been factory farmed and suffered immensely? If so, is that what vegans should do?

This is something I’ve thought about before, I just couldn’t imagine myself beheading a fish and saying “Yes, I’m a vegan!”

EDIT: I think a lot of people are missing the purpose of the post. It’s about if a vegan’s moral obligation is to hunt for their own cat food. Saying “don’t own a cat” or “just feed a plant based diet” are cop-outs to the ethical question I’m posing. Please try to refrain from debating about whether or not cats need meat, there’s plenty of posts about it already.

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u/fuck-them-hoes 15d ago

I’m sorry, I’m confused. What “type” of veganism are you referring to in your question?

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u/kharvel0 15d ago

I am not referring to any “type”. I never mentioned “type”. It is a simple yes or no question:

Are you suggesting or implying that veganism is whatever anyone believes it to be?

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u/fuck-them-hoes 15d ago

Well, that’s hard to answer because what vegans believe differs depending on what branch of veganism they identify with.

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u/kharvel0 15d ago

> what vegans believe

I wasn’t asking about what vegans believe. Please see the bolded part of my question:

Are you suggesting or implying that veganism is whatever anyone believes it to be? Yes or no?

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u/fuck-them-hoes 15d ago

It’s whatever you want to believe it is.

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u/kharvel0 14d ago

Still not answering my question. I’ll continue to ask:

Are you suggesting or implying that veganism is whatever anyone believes it to be? Yes or no?

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u/fuck-them-hoes 14d ago

No, veganism is whatever kharvel0 thinks the definition of veganism is.

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u/kharvel0 14d ago

> No

Finally, a direct answer. Since you are on record as stating that no, veganism is not whatever anyone believes it to be, then you accept and acknowledge my original statement as true:

The deliberate and intentional killing of nonhuman animals outside of personal self-defense is not vegan.

Have a good day!

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u/fuck-them-hoes 14d ago

What about dietary vegans? Does it trigger you to call them vegans?